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Pick a fight

emanko

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Hello
Josh picked a fight/started with his wife.
How is "pick a fight" different from "start a fight"?
Does "pick a fight" mean "try to find any reason, big or small, to fight with someone? In other words, creating a fight out of nothing?

Thank you
"Picked" is a slightly more vivid word, and puts a bit more emphasis on the fact that he deliberately set out to have a fight with her.
To "pick a fight" means that you do something to instigate the fight. You might insult the person, or do something designed to anger him.

To "start a fight" means you threw the first punch.

Crossed with Newt. It appears we do not agree.
To "pick a fight" means that you do something to instigate the fight. You might insult the person, or do something designed to anger him.

To "start a fight" means you threw the first punch.

Crossed with Newt. It appears we do not agree.

I agree completely with your first definition.
Does "pick a fight" mean "try to find any reason, big or small, to fight with someone? In other words, creating a fight out of nothing?

No. It does not mean any of that. It does not mean there is no reason, or it is "out of nothing". It simply means to attempt to start a fight. I say "attempt" because 2 people must both fight, or there is no fight.
To "pick a fight" means that you do something to instigate the fight. You might insult the person, or do something designed to anger him.

To "start a fight" means you threw the first punch.
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Thank you.
How is "instigating" different from "throwing the first punch"? According to your definition and @dojibear 's , I find "pick" and "start" synonymous.
How is "instigating" different from "throwing the first punch"?

You may insult the other person so badly that he throws the first punch. That is "instigating", if that was your plan: you believed that this insult would start a fight. You were correct.

And it make take more than just one insult. You may have to say many upsetting things to him. But if your purpose is to start a fight, then you are "instigating".
Doji did a good job of explaining.

I would add that my "throwing the first punch" represents the actual start of violence.

Instigating would be any action short of violence whose purpose was to make the situation elevate to violence.

It might not be a "punch"; it could easily be a knife, a shillelagh (an Irish fighting cudgel), a gun or a howitzer, or any other way of elevating the conflict to violence.

I should note that there are laws about inciting to violence--the so called Brandenburg ruling.

Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia

The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."[2][3]:702 Specifically, the Court struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence.
Josh picked a fight/started with his wife.
Note that a fight needn't always be physical. In case of an angry argument, starting a fight may or may not amount to picking a fight. If Josh started a fight with his wife over something that displeased him (whether justified or not), he merely started a fight. If he deliberately looked for a reason to start a fight and started one, he picked one.
A friend confided to me that "My wife and I fought last night over our son's behavior".

I asked if she needed hospitalization. He said, "not that type of fight--just a lot of yelling."

For me, that is an "argument" and not a fight. Perhaps an acrimonious argument. But certainly not a fight.

Others might find yelling to be "a fight"; I don't.
@Barque
Exactly, according to both Longman and Oxford dictionaries, a fight doesn't have to be physical. It can mean "argument", and this is the meaning I intended to use in my sentence.
He picked a fight with his wife.
If it's just a verbal fight, I cannot see the difference between "insulting" and "throwing the first punch" (in that case metaphorically of course), and similarly the difference between "pick" and "start".
Hello

Can "pick a fight" mean "look for a fight"? Is "look for a fight" an established idiomatic expression?

Thank you
Can "pick a fight" mean "look for a fight"?
They aren't exactly the same though they could overlap. Picking a fight refers to doing something to provoke a fight. Looking for a fight refers to being in a belligerent mood and hoping to start a fight.
Is "look for a fight" an established idiomatic expression?
"Look for a fight" is an established idiomatic expression. "Look for a fight" isn't as common, in my opinion.
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