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Chule disappeared because of the eruption of the Ubinas volcano in 1660, which devastated the region.

Which of the following do you consider acceptable?
(A) the Ubinas volcano [as above]
(B) the Ubinas Volcano
(C) the volcano Ubinas
(D) anything else?
Please tell us where you saw this sentence.

I think the original is fine.

B and C don't work for me.

If Ubinas had been mentioned before, and the reader/listener knows of it, then you could get away with simply 'Ubinas.'

Edit: Having seen Welsh_Sion's post below, I agree. 'Eruption of' is enough to imply it's a volcano, and so we don't need to mention 'volcano' at all.
I'm tempted to say:

"the eruption of Ubinas"

The model of - "the eruption of (mount) Vesuvius."

(English and Spanish wikis don't have the def. art. before the name of this volcano, either.)
This is part of a Spanish-English translation that I'm reviewing. Ubinas has not mentioned before. Yes, I know we can just say "Ubinas," but that's not what I'm asking about. 👁 Big Grin :D
I'm asking what possibilities we have if we want to include "volcano."
Despite having English as my first foreign language, I go along with heypresto and suggest 'V/volcano' is unnecessary in this context.
Again, that doesn't answer my question. 👁 Frown :(


Here's another sentence from the same text. This one doesn't include "eruption," so we have to say "volcano" if we want to make it clear that it was a volcano.

The capital city at the foot of the Misti Volcano would cease to be disconnected from the coast.

Here the translator used (B) (with capitalization), rather than (A).

I have the same question about this sentence. Which of the options I listed above would be acceptable here?
Encyclopaedia Britannica (not my favourite reference point for obvious reasons) has Misti Volcano.
Britannica goes with 'Misti Volcano' and 'Misti'. Other places go with Misti/El Misti volcano/Volcano. It seems several versions exist out there.

My preference would be 'El Misti volcano.'


cross-posted Cross-Posted Cross-posted.
Chule disappeared because of the eruption of the Ubinas volcano in 1660, which devastated the region.

Which of the following do you consider acceptable?
(A) the Ubinas volcano [as above]
(B) the Ubinas Volcano
(C) the volcano Ubinas
(D) anything else?
Chule disappeared because of the eruption of Etna in 1660,………. Does that help?
Which of the following do you consider acceptable?
(A) the Ubinas volcano [as above]
(B) the Ubinas Volcano
(C) the volcano Ubinas
(D) anything else?
I would use A. "Volcano" is not part of its name.
I would use A. "Volcano" is not part of its name.
Who you also say "Misti volcano" in the other sentence? In other words, would you go with (A) as a general rule, meaning that you wouldn't capitalize "volcano" unless it was part of the name?
Right. I'd normally expect to use just the name, but if "volcano" is required by the context, it's "the Fred volcano" for me. But I much prefer just the name. I can't imagine writing "the Mount Etna volcano" or "the Stromboli volcano".
Your initial question left out some important context (for those whose geography is lacking, like mine). You didn't say whether Ubinas is the name of the volcano, or the name of the region in which the volcano is to be found. Also, you failed to give a complete sentence for context.

In the case of it being the region in which the volcano was found, you would clearly talk about the Ubinas volcano.

When we discover that Ubinas is a volcano, then we are in the position of someone who knows about a much more famous volcano.

The question then could be

Which of the following do you consider acceptable?
(A) the Vesuvius volcano [as above]
(B) the Vesuvius Volcano
(C) the volcano Vesuvius
(D) anything else?

I would say that it becomes obvious that only C is right.
Sorry, you're right, I didn't specify that Ubinas is a volcano. 👁 Oops! :oops:


I think your analysis is interesting. With Vesuvius, I can definitely see how (A) and (B) both seem odd. 👁 Eek! :eek:


However, I found lots of results for "the Ubinas V/volcano" and "the Misti V/volcano," (both (A) and (B)), so I'm not sure where that leaves us!
Sorry, you're right, I didn't specify that Ubinas is a volcano. 👁 Oops! :oops:


I think your analysis is interesting. With Vesuvius, I can definitely see how (A) and (B) both seem odd. 👁 Eek! :eek:


However, I found lots of results for "the Ubinas V/volcano" and "the Misti V/volcano," (both (A) and (B)), so I'm not sure where that leaves us!
I presume that there was context for these versions. I also presume there was human fallibility! However without a complete sentence it is difficult to judge.

I can imagine a context where this alternative version would be acceptable (if not ideal):

Example invented by me

When we think about natural disasters and their human consequences, we discover a great difference between the case involving the Ubinas volcano and that of the Misti volcano. In the former case ...

I personally would rewrite it as follows:

When we think about natural disasters and their human consequences, we discover a great difference between the cases involving volcanoes Ubinas and Misti. In the former case ...

Done rather hastily but you get the idea.
Whereas I would write:
When we think about natural disasters and their human consequences, we discover a great difference between the cases involving the Ubinas and Misti volcanoes.
Or using my more familiar volcanoes so that it is not unfamiliarity colouring my judgement, and assuming people need to be told they are volcanoes:
When we think about natural disasters and their human consequences, we discover a great difference between the cases involving the Mount Etna and Stromboli volcanoes.

There's no right and wrong - it's stylistic choice.
I wouldn't capitalize "volcano".
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