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⇱ There is no evidence of Pakistani fighters shooting down 3 Indian Rafales, 1 Su-30, 1 MiG-29 after last night IAF strikes on jihadist training camps in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and in Pakistan. Here’s why.


Homepage Aviation NewsThere is no evidence of Pakistani fighters shooting down 3 Indian Rafales, 1 Su-30, 1 MiG-29 after last night IAF strikes on jihadist training camps in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and in Pakistan. Here’s why.

There is no evidence of Pakistani fighters shooting down 3 Indian Rafales, 1 Su-30, 1 MiG-29 after last night IAF strikes on jihadist training camps in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and in Pakistan. Here’s why.

By Tom Cooper
May 7 2025
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The ‘soap opera’ between Indians and Pakistani

Let me offer you my 3,5 cents about the latest episode in the ‘soap opera’ between India and Pakistan.

As first, Pakistani establishment – foremost it’s ‘deep state’ (see: Inter-Service Intelligence, ISI, something like the Pakistan’s CIA) – is organising, training, sponsoring and commanding extremist ‘Islamist’ JIhadism all over the world, and that for decades already. Indeed, the ISI was the first to do so (already back in the 1960s). Even the Tablian are one of its ‘products’.

So much so, the Pakistan’s Minister of Defence can only be described as guarding a parking lot in front of his office. He’s simply not in charge of anything else.

Thus, the usual ‘Western’ both-sidism – in style of ‘decades-old conflict between arch enemies’ and ‘this is about borders and Kashmir’, as applied by our holly mainstream media (but especially all the possible ‘military experts’) – is all bull floral. Whenever you hear a report starting with that kind of statements: turn it off. You’re only going to get fed idiotic misinformation.

As second, Indians might be ‘professionals’ and whatever, but their politicians and media are almost as hysteric as those of Pakistan, and their top brass of armed forces is so buerocratic and obsessed with ‘traditions’ and whatever else, that it’s always getting surprised if the Pakistanis deploy some new weapon (and even if it’s ‘nothing more’ than electronic warfare systems jamming radios of Indian fighter jets, not to talk about Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missiles).

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IAF strikes jihadist training camps in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and in Pakistan

So, what happened ‘now’ (i.e. the last few days) is that the ISI run another jihadist terror attack into India-controlled part of Kashmir, and mass-murdered (at least) some 26 people (apparently, the terrorists lined up the men they’ve identified as ‘Hindu’ and summarily executed them).

The Prime Minister of India then (essentially) cut off the water-supply to Pakistan (i.e. cancelled the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan) and handed the affair to the country’s armed forces.

(…in the meantime, the Pakistani Army launched several attacks on Indian Army positions along the ‘Line of Control’ in Kashmir, using anti-tank guided missiles… and, early this morning, the ISI unleashed yet another terror attack…)

The last night, the Indian Air Force (IAF) then flew a series of strikes on some 30 jihadist training camps in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and in Pakistan. For this, they’ve deployed (between others) Rafales, perhaps Mirages, equipped with SCALP-EG missiles (and escorted by their Sukhoi Su-30MKIs): as far as is known, none entered the Pakistani/Pakistan-controlled airspace…

You can see that briefing here:

The briefing was provided by the Foreign Minister of India, plus Colonel Sophia Quereshi (Indian Army) and Wing Commander Vyomika Singh (IAF). Gauging by experiences from the last ‘bout of fighting’ between India and Pakistan – back in February 2019 – such briefings are usually reliable, even if far from providing ‘all the important details’.

Pakistan claiming the shooting down 3 Indian Rafales, 1 Su-30, 1 MiG-29

Apparently, the heaviest hit was precisely the camp from which the terror attack that sparked this crisis was launched.

Official Islamabad reacted by reporting only civilian casualties.

Accordingly, ‘26 civilians, including ‘young women and children’ were killed by Indian air strikes – and that by ‘air strikes on mosques, as the official Pakistan is emphasising: what were children and young women doing in mosques in the middle of the night… that’s not explained.

The Western media is faithfully repeating such reports – although, actually, having no trace of clue what’s going on, nor the ability to check. Even if any Western journos would be around, be sure: the ISI wouldn’t let them anywhere near any of terrorist camps hit by the Indians (back in 2019, they were cordoning off entire areas around such sites).

After all, according to official Islamabad, there are ‘no terror training camps in Pakistan’…

Actually, and between others, at least two of ISI’s top jihadists are meanwhile confirmed as killed.

Furthermore, official Islamabad first claimed two, then three, and meanwhile five Indian fighter jets as ‘shot down’ (including, according to the Pakistanis: ‘3 Rafales, 1 Su-30, 1 MiG-29′). So far, haven’t seen any kind of evidence for this: only wreckage of drop tanks, perhaps one (Indian air-to-air) missile, and then a few videos and photos from period 2005-2017… perhaps also from a crash of an IAF jet in 2023…

‘Of course’, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) rushed to publish photos of J-10Cs and JF-17Cs armed with latest Chinese PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles – kind of stipulating ‘they’ve killed lots of IAF fighters by missiles to which the IAF has no pendant’.

No evidence of Pakistan shooting down 3 Indian Rafales, 1 Su-30, 1 MiG-29

With other words: brace for another sea of Pakistani lies. The establishment there is presenting its armed forces as ‘invincible’ for decades already, and wildly claiming ‘victories’ at every opportunity (so also when clearly losing wars, like in 1971, 1999 etc.). This is going to so far that the Pakistan Air Force actually never run any kind of serious cross-examination of the mass of its claims from wars with India, not to talk about involvement of Pakistan Air Force’s pilots in wars with Israel (of 1967 and 1973, just for example): it’s simply distributing decorations to the left and right, regardless if there is evidence or not. ‘But’, that’s ‘OK’, especially for the Americans, because, you know, the Pakistanis are flying the ‘holy’ F-16s, while those ‘incompetent’ Indians are flying ‘Russian and French trash’…

And be patient with the Indians. Their media is already in hysteric overdrive (one of instances rushed to ‘confirm’ Pakistani claims, early this morning, only to delete the related report, shortly after), and their establishment is always slow to react.

Thus, it’s going to take a few days for the ‘dust to settle’ and at least the most important facts to become known.

Ah yes, and: for those with in-depth interest in this conflict, cannot but recommend the book Terror and Response (co-written by a gent that co-wrote the India’s official Strategy for Nuclear Weapons; unsurprisingly, he also wrote a related book, too: Nuclear India).

Check out the blog Sarcastosaurus and Helion & Company website for books featuring interesting stories written by The Aviation Geek Club contributor Tom Cooper.

Photo credit: Indian Air Force

Tom Cooper

Tom Cooper

Tom Cooper is an Austrian aerial warfare analyst and historian. Following a career in the worldwide transportation business – during which he established a network of contacts in the Middle East and Africa – he moved into narrow-focus analysis and writing on small, little-known air forces and conflicts, about which he has collected extensive archives. This has resulted in specialisation in Middle Eastern, African and Asian air forces. As well as authoring and co-authoring 560 books and over 1,000 articles, he has co-authored the Arab MiGs book series – a six-volume, in-depth analysis of the Arab air forces at war with Israel, in the 1955–73 period. Cooper has been working as editor of the five @War series since 2017. tom@acig.info

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