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This user is in university.

This user is taking a wikibreak and may be away or inactive for varying periods of time.
Although he may occasionally be able to do some editing, messages left for him may not be replied to for a while.
He will be back on Wikipedia when university is over.

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Nabla is busy and is going to be on Wikipedia in off-and-on doses, and he may not respond swiftly to queries.
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Please keep conversations connected.
I'll likely use the rather nice notifications.
Still, keep a watchlistin'-eye in here, just to be sure.

Archives

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  1. August 2004 - February 2007
  2. April 2007 - May 2008
  3. May 2008 - December 2011
  4. January 2012 - January 2015
  5. March 2015 - October 2017

MikroTik

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Hi, can you please explain how this version differs from the last? I'm looking at a version from February 2017 and it is almost identical. The primary difference is actually the deleted version has more sources and this one is way more promotional. Praxidicae (talk) 21:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[]

This article has no promotional material as it stands. Stop your trolling. Kbrose (talk) 21:44, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[]
Kbrose are you seriously accusing me of being a troll? I asked about the G4, if you'd like to substantiate your claims, WP:ANI is that way.Praxidicae (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[]
@Praxidicae: Probably better to keep it all in one place, so I'll reply at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MikroTik_(3rd_nomination) - Nabla (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[]

"Thunderbird (missile):" listed at Redirects for discussion

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Thunderbird (missile):. Since you had some involvement with the Thunderbird (missile): redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[]

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Always nice to meet a new administrator...👁 Image
Thank you
for your close of MfD Talk:IQ classification/Archive 1, but I noticed that the actual page in question was not deleted. So, I've tagged it as G6 for you or another admin to delete.

Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 21:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[]

Hello, Doug Mehus. Well... not exactly "new", only low profile (most of the time...) and not very active, but I'm around for a while :-) Thank you for your warning, I think I used XFDCloser... Not so sure now... Maybe something went wrong and I have not noticed it. I will pay extra attention the next times to try to understand what went wrong. It is ok to do mistakes once in a while, but I like to know why. Again, thank you. - Nabla (talk) 20:58, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[]


Giuseppw Barboni page

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Why you deleted my page, you delete draft giuseppe barboni but not the page, can you help me? Webboeu (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi Webboeu, I explained on your talk page and I'll reply there to keep the conversation connected - Nabla (talk) 23:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Otto Apelt (July 24)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Tol was:
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Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

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A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


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New administrator activity requirement

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The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.

Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:

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Personalização de mensagens de sistema na Wikipédia em inglês

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Olá, Nabla. O motivo da personalização destas 5 mensagens de sistema em português, na Wikipédia em inglês, ainda se mantém válido ou será que é possível eliminá-las para que acompanhem as das restantes Wikipédias e futuras atualizações? Para possível referência futura, elas são:

Abraço. Hamilton Abreu (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[]


ADG

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why you deleted the new article? what issues you found? Panama2005 (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[]


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Look also thiatetrazole 176.200.97.23 (talk) 12:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[]

Hi, 176.200.97.23. Got it. I am not sure if I fixed your nomination, or I accidentally duplicated it... sorry for that. And thanks. - Nabla (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[]

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Yesterday (31 July) was your 21st year here! That is loooongg indeed. Thank you for the work you did, -'re doing!! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[]

It mostly means I am getting older. And still stubbornly believing this is good, despite its many flaws. :-) Thank you! Nabla (talk) 18:11, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[]

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Starting 4 November, logged-out editors will no longer have their IP address publicly displayed. Instead, they will have a temporary account (TA) associated with their edits. Users with some extended rights like administrators and CheckUsers, as well as users with the temporary account IP viewer (TAIV) user right will still be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range.

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New Page Patrol Newsletter - May 2026

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New Page Review queue November 2025 - May 2026

Backlog update

At the time of this message, there are 15,282 articles and 32,951 redirects awaiting review.

After the January–February drive the article backlog was reduced to 15,179 articles and the redirect backlog to 19,053 respectively. Great job! However, both queues are growing rapidly and any additional reviews are highly appreciated.

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Hi @Nabla, did you actually intend to DePROD this article. It looks like the dePRODing might have been a mistake.

Making these Iranian "village" (really, abadi) articles mass-created by Carlossuarez46 go through AFD, tends to be a waste of time as they practically never survive AFD because they aren't actually about "villages" but instead about named locations within Iran that the Iranian census has used as a reference point (e.g., bridges, pump, shops, factories , banks, etc. etc.). This is particularly the case when their location isn't even known, the low population means it can't be an official village under Iranian law, and the name of the location literally translates as "narrow gap" (i.e., it's likely a feature-name used by the Iranian census as a reference-point, not an actual village).

Additionally, this was an article created in violation of WP:MASSCREATE, as can clearly be seen from the fact that Carlossuarez46 created at least 121 articles on the same day this was created. I say "at least" because the ones that have been deleted in the intervening 13 years won't show up in this search. WP:MASSCREATE was in force on the day this article was created.

For more information, please see WP:ABADI for some examples of articles that have been deleted, as well as this ARBCOM case where they were desysopped, and this mass-deletion of 13,000 articles that Carlossuarez46 created.

If the deprodding was accidental, please revert and restore the template it so the deleting admin can see this. FOARP (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[]

Hello. The dePRODing was not an accident. I understand it may look like so, givenm the weird edit summary. What happened was, I opened the article to edit, forgot to edit, wrote a edit summary explaining the dePRODing and saved. As it was a null edit it did not got saved, but I did not remembered that feature and I thought it did. Thus the template deletion with a weird summary.
You deletion reason was "Per WP:ABADI. No reason to believe this is a village. No location to confirm that it is either" I checked the reference (with automated translation) and it points to it being some place with 74 people and 15 families. That surely looks like an inhabited place. It is not, say, 74 workers in a factory, because it clearly states families, the excel sheet says it is roughly 50/50 men and women, reeinforcing the ideia that it IS an inhabited place. Yes the name is strange, I have not noticed it, but it is not exceptional for a place to have some descriptive name (I live in one such place, also Rio de Janeiro is not a river, nor Newcastle upon Tyne is a castle, Campo Grande is not a field, and Long Beach, California is not a beach, and so on - sorry for the long list, I was enjoying the "game" of finding such cities :-) I am not trying to annoy you).
I admit I have not fully read WP:ABADI - it says on top it may or may not be a village, I checked, it looked like a real inhabited place, "village" or otherwise, so I dePRODed. Giving it a second look, a from youir message, I note that the author was desysoped temporarily pending a full case, which never happened because they retired. So they were not desysoped because of this article. Yes they probably would, but they were not. The mass deletion tells me that the obvious deletions were taken care of, and this article was not one of them, so it should be considered on its own merits. So neither are strong arguments to delete any article, only a hint to be cautious than average and check them.
That said, I currently think inhabited places are nearly inherently notable and we have lots of them. So why not this one? I understand that it has only a small chance of surviving a AfD discussion, but I do not think it is an obvious delete. So I will stand by my PROD tag removal, while aware of that.
Thank you for you thorough and polite message! I hope mine is worthy of yours. Nabla (talk) 00:39, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[]
Abadis are explicitly excluded from WP:GEOLAND for the exact reason that there’s typically no way of proving that they are actually villages. They (together with census tracts) are examples of inhabited locations that are not automatically notable on Wikipedia.
As for the Iranian census giving a count for the number of families, the Iranian census does this for everywhere, factories/farms/military bases/nomad counting points included. It merely means that the people counted belonged to different households.
But OK, we will have the AFD. FOARP (talk) 05:25, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[]
Hello. I understand if you have some frustration due to I not understanding something that seems obvious to you. Please take into consideration that we can not know every detail of every policy, or guideline. I am quite surprised that one specific type of administrative region from one specific state is included/excluded from presumed notability. A historical artifact from the Carlossuarez46 case maybe. Allow me to suggest that in future PROD nominations you try to improve the text, because the issue was that you said that there is no reason to believe there is a village there, while the sources clearly state that there is a place with some name and some people there, presumably from households. I will look at the AfD, but probably not argue, for time constraints and to watch it without further influence from me. Maybe I learn something, as it happens that I am wrong, from time to time :-) Nabla (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[]
We have dealt with hundreds upon hundreds of these already, so please do not be offended if I say that you really need to acquaint yourself in the long history of the abadi problem here before continuing. Mangoe (talk) 18:12, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[]
Agree with Mangoe. Everything you needed to know here was linked in the Prod nomination. I then provided it in written-out format. I know there's some people out there who write whacky essays to support their weird opinions, but I genuinely promise you this is something that multiple editors including admins like myself have spent years trying to deal with, and the WP:ABADI essay is basically a summary of what we've learned doing that. A lot of it comes from what the Iranian editors told us about this issue - it was the intervention of the Iranians that finally stopped these articles being produced, because CS46 was essentially trashing their information-space with the absolute deluge of articles about "villages" in Iran that don't actually exist and they were quite angry about it.
It's fine to not get this stuff entirely on the first encounter. The first time I encountered this stuff I was labouring under some similar misunderstandings (this was a parallel issue in the US where CS46 had also mass-created articles about places that don't really exist or are mines/post offices/stores/railway stations etc.). I listened to Hog Farm and the others and learned from them. FOARP (talk) 20:17, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[]
I already explained my point of view. Then, I did not vote to keep the article. I don't care if it stays or goes. I simply dePRODed in good faith so there was no reason for me to revert my edit. It goes through AfD. So what? Oh there is someone over the internet that disagreed with you, you must convince me of your reason? You are probably right in deleting these, and there is no problem that your deletion message was not 100% clear to me. So? Consider improving the deletion message, or not, and move on. Nabla (talk) 21:34, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[]
I did read User:FOARP's reasons, I explained why I dePRODed in good faith. I did not voted to keep, because I did read their reasons, I did got aquainted, I do agree there is no problem in deleting the article. I just did not see any point in reverting my good faith edit. So it goes through AfD, so what? Move on. Nabla (talk) 21:25, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[]
“So it goes through AFD, so what?” I think for us the issue is this just becomes a pointless, wasted additional effort imposed for no real reason by someone who did not ultimately want to keep the article anyway. You are of course allowed to deprod for any and no reason. FOARP (talk) 05:23, 16 June 2026 (UTC)[]
I understand. But that's WP :-) Nabla (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2026 (UTC)[]