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11th Jan 2026 04:23 UTCJeff Weissman Expert OP

Molybdomenite from
El Dragón mine, Porco Municipality, Antonio Quijarro Province, Potosí, Bolivia  

I see this as erroneously reported from the locality - however, no alternative identification or explanation is provided. Can someone chime in and offer what this may be?
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11th Jan 2026 12:03 UTCVik Vanrusselt Expert

Hi Jeff,

The edits to the locality (molybdomenite erroneously reported and paramolybdomenite added) were done by David Von Bargen on the same date the following article was published online (28 October 2025):

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/mineralogical-magazine/article/paramolybdomenite-pbseo3-a-new-mineral-dimorphous-with-molybdomenite-from-the-tolbachik-volcano-kamchatka-russia/9D9FE32B8366377BA85AD7351C91002A

According to this article, the molybdomenite from El Dragon is paramolybdomenite.

Vik
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11th Jan 2026 12:37 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

According to this article, the molybdomenite from El Dragon is paramolybdomenite.
 Added to locentry.
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11th Jan 2026 15:45 UTCJeff Weissman Expert OP

I don't have access to the article. Does it state that all molybdomenite from El Dragon is para, or only that the para dimorph is found there. Did they do sufficient analysis to confirm?

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11th Jan 2026 13:07 UTCYash Redkar

I just learned of this molybdomenite from this post, and some reason it deeply saddens me that it doesn't have molybdenum in it...
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11th Jan 2026 13:18 UTCRalph S Bottrill Manager

Its also a little sad and confusing that molybdenite contains no lead, when you look at its etymology.
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11th Jan 2026 13:42 UTCYash Redkar

True, true :)
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11th Jan 2026 15:29 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Not to mention molybdophyllite ... ;-)
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11th Jan 2026 19:11 UTCJeff Weissman Expert OP

Yash, it is named from "the Greek μόλυβδος for "lead" and μήυη for "moon", where the element selenium is named for the moon. "
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11th Jan 2026 19:01 UTCJeff Weissman Expert OP

I have found and reviewed appropriate literature, including both the type publication for paramolybdomenite " Pekov, Igor V., et al. "Paramolybdomenite, PbSeO3, a new mineral dimorphous with molybdomenite from the Tolbachik volcano, Kamchatka, Russia." Mineralogical Magazine: 1-22.  " and an occurrence of what is now known as paramolybdomenite from El Dragon, "Zhang, Jingnan; Yang, Hexiong; Gibbs, Ronald B. (2024) Molybdomenite-P21/c, Polymorphous with Molybdomenite and the Natural Analogue of Synthetic α-PbSe4+O3, from the El Dragón Mine, Potosí, Bolivia. The Canadian Journal of Mineralogy and Petrology, 62 (4). 643-652"

Neither discredit molybdomenite from El Dragon. They both do, however, report that paramolybdomenite occurs at El Dragon, in a habit perhaps distinctive from molybdomenite. In Zhang, paramolybdomenite from El Dragon is described as "thin-bladed crystals. Associated minerals are Co-bearing krut’aite–penroseite, chalcomenite, and dolomite. Molybdomenite- P21/c is pale yellow in transmitted light and has a greasy luster. It is brittle and has a Mohs hardness of 3. " (P21/c polytype is now known as paramolybdemenite).

Thus:
- The two minerals, paramolybdomenite and molybdomenite, are both likely to occur at El Dragon.
- They can be distinguished, according to the above referenced articles, by Raman spectroscopy.
- Until someone does an sufficiently extensive study of molybdomenite to determine if one, the other, or both occur at El Dragon, both minerals should be listed as verified.

I will change the status of molybdomenite back to confirmed, with a note indicating that it can be confused with paramolydomenite.



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11th Jan 2026 19:06 UTCJeff Weissman Expert OP

Looking for images of pale-yellow bladed crystals of "molybdomenite" from El Dragon, this one may be paramolybdomenite:


and perhaps this one:


This one seems to be too orange to qualify as 'pale yellow', if going by color, which is not always a good idea.




Without Raman, cannot be certain.
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12th Jan 2026 16:31 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

both minerals should be listed as verified.

I will change the status of molybdomenite back to confirmed, with a note indicating that it can be confused with paramolydomenite.
As long as no-one has explicitly confirmed molybdomenite, it should be listed with a question mark, I think.
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12th Jan 2026 20:37 UTCDr. Günter Grundmann 🌟 Expert

I'll gladly help you out: 

My co-author, the late Günther Schnorrer-Köhler (Göttingen), was the one who identified all the secondary minerals (including molybdomenite and olsacherite) from El Dragón by X-ray diffraction (statement in our pioneering paper, page 139, The Mineralogical Record, Volume Twenty-one, Number Two, March-April 1990). Our paper was peer-reviewed by Bill Birch, Melbourne; Pete J. Dunn, Washington; Robert B. Trumbull, Munich; and Wendell E. Wilson, Tucson.

Now it's up to you to trust these authors.
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12th Jan 2026 21:44 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Since the powder X-ray diffraction patterns of molybomenite and paramolybdomenite are dissimilar, the status of the first one is now confirmed (already changed by someone).
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12th Jan 2026 22:27 UTCDr. Günter Grundmann 🌟 Expert

Many thanks for your attention and critical reading!
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