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Veenite

A valid IMA mineral species
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About VeeniteHide

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Formula:
Pb16Sb9-xAs7+xS40, x ~ 0-0.5
As is essential, Ag is not.
Bulk composition of SXRD-analysed sample (Topa & Makovicky, 2017) is: Ag0.15Pb16.029Sb8.836As6.99S39.95.
Colour:
Steel-gray
Lustre:
Metallic
Hardness:
3½ - 4
Crystal System:
Monoclinic
Member of:
Name:
Named after Rudolf Willem van der Veen (27 January 1883, Buitenzorg (now Bogor), Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) — 3 April 1925, Wassenaar (near The Hague), South Holland, The Netherlands), metallographer, mining engineer. After his studies in Delft he worked in mines in Argentina, Bolivia, India, Germany, and Spain. From 1916 to 1925 he was professor of economic geology at the Delft University of Technology (Netherlands). In 1925, he posthumously published one of the first books with pictures about ore microscopy.
Dufrénoysite-Veenite Series.

Sartorite homologue, N = 4; the structure is based on zigzag walls of prismatic [3]Pb; these walls separate slabs comprising diagonally-oriented double layers containing Sb and As, and some Pb. Orientation of three-membered crankshaft chains containing (As,Sb)–S is substantially different from that in dufrénoysite.


Unique IdentifiersHide

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Mindat ID:
4167
Long-form identifier:
mindat:1:1:4167:2

Similar NamesHide

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FeniteA rock classification type
VeniteA rock classification type
ViaeneiteA valid IMA mineral species(Fe,Pb)4S8O
YvoniteA valid IMA mineral speciesCu(HAsO4) · 2H2O

IMA Classification of VeeniteHide

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Approved
IMA Formula:
Pb2(Sb,As)2S5
Approval year:
1966
First published:
1967

Classification of VeeniteHide

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2.HC.05d

2 : SULFIDES and SULFOSALTS (sulfides, selenides, tellurides; arsenides, antimonides, bismuthides; sulfarsenites, sulfantimonites, sulfbismuthites, etc.)
H : Sulfosalts of SnS archetype
C : With only Pb
3.5.9.2

3 : SULFOSALTS
5 : 2.5 < ø < 3
5.6.20

5 : Sulphosalts - Sulpharsenites and Sulphobismuthites (those containing Sn, Ge,or V are in Section 6)
6 : Sulpharsenites etc. of Pb alone

Mineral SymbolsHide

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As of 2021 there are now IMA–CNMNC approved mineral symbols (abbreviations) for each mineral species, useful for tables and diagrams.

SymbolSourceReference for Standard
VeeIMA–CNMNCWarr, L.N. (2021). IMA–CNMNC approved mineral symbols. Mineralogical Magazine, 85(3), 291-320. doi:10.1180/mgm.2021.43

Physical Properties of VeeniteHide

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Metallic
Transparency:
Opaque
Colour:
Steel-gray
Streak:
Black with weak brown tint
Hardness:
3½ - 4 on Mohs scale
Hardness:
VHN50=156 - 172 kg/mm2 - Vickers
Fracture:
Conchoidal

Optical Data of VeeniteHide

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Anisotropism:
Moderate
Reflectivity:
WavelengthR1 (%)R2 (%)
400nm40.2%43.8%
420nm39.9%43.4%
440nm39.6%43.0%
460nm39.2%42.8%
480nm38.8%42.6%
500nm38.4%42.3%
520nm37.9%42.0%
540nm37.4%41.7%
560nm37.0%41.4%
580nm36.5%40.8%
600nm36.1%40.3%
620nm35.7%39.8%
640nm35.3%39.1%
660nm34.7%38.4%
680nm34.0%37.6%
700nm33.3%36.8%


Graph shows reflectance levels at different wavelengths (in nm). Peak reflectance is 43.8%.
R1 shown in black, R2 shown in
Colour in reflected light:
White
Pleochroism:
Weak
Comments:
White to pale pinkish gray

Chemistry of VeeniteHide

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Mindat Formula:
Pb16Sb9-xAs7+xS40, x ~ 0-0.5

As is essential, Ag is not.
Bulk composition of SXRD-analysed sample (Topa & Makovicky, 2017) is: Ag0.15Pb16.029Sb8.836As6.99S39.95.

Crystallography of VeeniteHide

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Crystal System:
Monoclinic
Class (H-M):
2 - Sphenoidal
Space Group:
P21
Setting:
P21
Cell Parameters:
a = 8.429(2) Å, b = 26.069(5) Å, c = 8.962(2) Å
β = 117.447(2)°
Ratio:
a:b:c = 0.323 : 1 : 0.344
Unit Cell V:
1,747.60 ų (Calculated from Unit Cell)
Z:
1
Comment:
Data from Topa & Makovicky (2017). Orthorhombic pseudocell with a' = 0.5a = 4.22, b = 26.2, c = 7.90 Å. Space group of the pseudocell is P21cn or Pmcn. The X-ay powder pattern closely resembles that of dufrénoysite.

X-Ray Powder DiffractionHide

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Powder Diffraction Data:
d-spacingIntensity
3.81 Å(100)
3.03 Å(90)
3.42 Å(80)
3.26 Å(80)
2.76 Å(70)
3.23 Å(50)
2.93 Å(50)
Comments:
Close to the data for dufrénoysite.

Geological EnvironmentHide

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Paragenetic Mode(s):
Paragenetic ModeEarliest Age (Ga)
High-? alteration and/or metamorphism
33 : Minerals deposited by hydrothermal metal-rich fluids (see also [#12])

Type Occurrence of VeeniteHide

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General Appearance of Type Material:
Masses up to 2 cm in diameter. Disseminated anhedral grains.
Place of Conservation of Type Material:
Canadian Geological Survey, Ottawa, Canada, 12170.
Canadian Museum of Nature, Ottawa, Canada.
Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto, Canada.
Geological Setting of Type Material:
Marbles produced from Precambrian metasedimentary rocks, formed at the margin of a plutonic intrusion.
Associated Minerals at Type Locality:

Synonyms of VeeniteHide

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Other Language Names for VeeniteHide

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Relationship of Veenite to other SpeciesHide

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Member of:
Other Members of Sartorite Group:
ArgentobaumhaueriteAg1.5Pb22As33.5S72Tric. 1 : P1
ArgentodufrénoysiteAg3Pb26As35S80Tric. 1 : P1
ArgentoliveingiteAg3+xPb36-2xAs51+xS112Tric. 1 : P1
BarikaiteAg3Pb10(Sb8As11)S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
BaumhaueritePb12As16S36Tric. 1 : P1
BernarlottiitePb6(As5Sb3)S18Tric. 1 : P1
BoscardiniteTlPb4(Sb7As2)S18Tric. 1 : P1
Carducciite(Ag2Sb2)Pb12(As,Sb)16S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
DekatriasartoriteTlPb58As97S204Mon. 2/m : P21/b
DufrénoysitePb2As2S5Mon. 2 : P21
ÉcrinsiteAgTl3Pb4As11Sb9S36Tric. 1 : P1
EnneasartoriteTl6Pb32As70S140Mon. 2/m : P21/b
GeueriteAg2Tl4Pb4As22S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
GiuşcăiteAg2Tl4Pb4As20Sb2S40Mon. m
GuettarditePb8(Sb0.56As0.44)16S32Mon. 2/m : P21/b
HendekasartoriteTl2Pb48As82S172Mon. 2/m : P21/b
HeptasartoriteTl7Pb22As55S108Mon. 2/m : P21/b
HyršlitePb8As10Sb6S32Mon. 2 : P21
IncomsartoriteTl6Pb144As246S516Mon. 2/m
InterliveingiteAgPb18As25S56Mon. 2 : P21
LiveingitePb20As24S56Mon. 2 : P21
ParapierrotiteTlSb5S8Mon. m
PhilrothiteTlAs3S5Mon. 2/m : P21/b
PierrotiteTl2(Sb,As)10S16Orth. mm2 : Pna21
PolloneiteAgPb46As26Sb23S120Mon. 2 : P21
RathiteAg2Pb12-xTlx/2As18+x/2S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
SartoritePbAs2S4Mon. 2/m : P21/m
Twinnite Pb0.8Tl0.1Sb1.3As0.8S4Mon. 2/m
Forms a series with:

Common AssociatesHide

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Associations Based on Photo Data:
1 photo of Veenite associated with SterryiteCu(Ag,Cu)3Pb19(Sb,As)22(As2)S56

Related Minerals - Strunz-mindat GroupingHide

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2.HC.BernarlottiitePb6(As5Sb3)S18Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.HuntingdonitePb19Sb16As6S51Cl2Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.MoiraitePb12Sb8As8S36Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05fParapierrotiteTlSb5S8Mon. m
2.HC.05gMarumoitePb32As40S92Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05b'Baumhauerite II'
2.HC.05dRathiteAg2Pb12-xTlx/2As18+x/2S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05eHeptasartoriteTl7Pb22As55S108Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05dDufrénoysitePb2As2S5Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05eHendekasartoriteTl2Pb48As82S172Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05bArgentobaumhaueriteAg1.5Pb22As33.5S72Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05cArgentoliveingiteAg3+xPb36-2xAs51+xS112Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05bBaumhaueritePb12As16S36Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05eDekatriasartoriteTlPb58As97S204Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05aHyršlitePb8As10Sb6S32Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05eIncomsartoriteTl6Pb144As246S516Mon. 2/m
2.HC.05cLiveingitePb20As24S56Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05cJohnjamboritePb14Sb8.5As7.5S38Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05fPierrotiteTl2(Sb,As)10S16Orth. mm2 : Pna21
2.HC.05d'Rathite-IV'PbAs2S4
2.HC.05dArgentodufrénoysiteAg3Pb26As35S80Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05eÉcrinsiteAgTl3Pb4As11Sb9S36Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05aSartoritePbAs2S4Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.HC.05aTwinnite Pb0.8Tl0.1Sb1.3As0.8S4Mon. 2/m
2.HC.05fPhilrothiteTlAs3S5Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05hPolloneiteAgPb46As26Sb23S120Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05aGuettarditePb8(Sb0.56As0.44)16S32Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.10aFülöppitePb3Sb8S15Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.10dSemseyitePb9Sb8S21Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.10dRayitePb8(Ag,Tl)2Sb8S21Mon.
2.HC.10cHeteromorphitePb7Sb8S19Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.10bPlagionitePb5Sb8S17Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.15FalkmanitePb3Sb2S6Mon.
2.HC.15BoulangeritePb5Sb4S11Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.20RobinsonitePb4Sb6S13Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.HC.25MoëloitePb6Sb6S14(S3)Orth. 222 : P21212
2.HC.30DadsonitePb23Sb25S60ClTric. 1 : P1
2.HC.35ZoubekiteAgPb4Sb4S10Orth.
2.HC.35Proto-owyheeiteAg9Pb40Sb45S112Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.35OwyheeiteAg3Pb10Sb11S28Mon. 2/m
2.HC.40ParasterryiteAg4Pb20Sb14As10S58Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.50LopatkaitePb5Sb3AsS11Mon. 2/m : P21/b

Other InformationHide

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Notes:
KOH (40%) tarnishes veenite iridescent and HNO3 tarnishes it black. KOH generally brings out the polysynthetic twinning also evident under partly crossed nicols.
Health Risks:
No information on health risks for this material has been entered into the database. You should always treat mineral specimens with care.

Internet Links for VeeniteHide

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References for VeeniteHide

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Localities for VeeniteHide

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All localities listed without proper references should be considered as questionable.
Australia
  • Queensland
    • McKinlay Shire
      • McKinlay
Walters et al. (1998) +1 other reference
Bolivia
  • Potosí
    • Antonio Quijarro Province
      • Porco Municipality
Dill et al. (1997)
Canada (TL)
  • Ontario
    • Hastings County
      • Centre Hastings Municipality
        • Madoc
Jambor (1967) +3 other references
    • Kenora District
      • GTP Block 7 Township
Anthony et al. (1990) +1 other reference
Chile
  • Atacama
    • Copiapó Province
      • Tierra Amarilla
        • Pampa Larga mining district
          • Alacrán
sample analysed by Dr. Frank Keutsch
Germany
  • Rhineland-Palatinate
    • Ahrweiler
      • Altenahr
        • Ahrbrück
          • Martinsknipp
Beyer (1978)
Greece
  • Attica
    • East Attica
      • Lavreotiki
        • Plaka
          • Plaka Mines
Voudouris et al. (2008)
Iran
  • West Azerbaijan Province
    • Sardasht County
      • Sardasht
Yar Mohammadi et al. (2008)
Mexico
  • Mexico
    • Temascaltepec Municipality
      • Temascaltepec de González (Temascaltepec)
Camprubi
Peru
  • Huancavelica
    • Huancavelica Province
      • Huachocolpa District
Birnie et al. (1977) +1 other reference
Romania
  • Maramureș County
    • Baia Mare
Cook et al. (1997) +1 other reference
Russia
  • Sverdlovsk Oblast
    • Serovsky District
      • Turya river
        • Tur'insk
Kasatkin et al. (2020) +1 other reference
  • Zabaykalsky Krai
Eremin et al. (2023)
Spain
  • Andalusia
    • Almería
      • Cuevas del Almanzora
        • Sierra Almagrera
Martínez-Frías et al. (2004)
      • Pechina
        • Baños de Alhamilla
Rewitzer et al. (2019)
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