Tutorial talk:Defeating the ender dragon

someone needs to re-write this. it looks like its writen by a 10 year old. 24.61.29.23 18:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree. This is haphazard, in first person, and talks about slaying the dragon in *creative* mode. I suppose I'll work on a new draft. Gh0stPirate (talk) 04:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I've actually been working on re-writing it. Probably should have thrown up an in-use template. Is there a way I can make what I've written so far visible to others, without actually applying the changes? Duncan Belfast (talk) 13:46, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Finally finished it. Hopefully it's much better organized and informative. Duncan Belfast (talk) 15:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't like the way this was written. I'm rewriting part of it and deleting unneeded topics. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.252.233.53 (talk) at 28 May 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Beds detonate violently on use in the End, so they're a viable weapon against the Enderdragon. They're cheap, easy to make, can take almost 25% of dragon's health (tested on hard), and with a full set of iron armor enchanted with blast resistance the player takes essentially no damage from the explosion itself. The timing can be a bit tricky, but using them as a sort of claymore can make the fight WAY easier. If you're looking for a way to win in hardcore mode, this is it. 136.152.209.186 03:23, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Beds are dangerous to use as a weapon against the ender dragon, because there is a high risk of blowing yourself up. So only use a sword and a bow against the dragon. TheFirePhoenix (talk) 00:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

The Original post specifically stated that using blast protection almost completely negates the damage to the player, plus the right use of walls can theoretically guarantee safety, and is widely used in no-glitch speedruns due to the effectiveness far outweighing the risk. --120.152.159.157 05:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Read Tutorials/Killing the Ender Dragon TheSilentPearl (talk) 02:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

"In order to take full advantage of the Ender Dragon's experience drop, the player should bring..." Why? When entering the return portal, no XP is lost. Enchantment can be done after returning to base. Bringing equipment just risks it being lost. If there is a reason to enchant while still in the end, please make it clear. --207.216.89.132 21:12, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

IDK why. 73.89.66.98 15:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Title would be more consistent with pages like Tutorials/Defeating an ocean monument. Should we move the page? The Blobs^{👁 Image}
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   Support I agree the phrasing is better. – Auldrick (talk · contribs) 00:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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 Support the current name is clunky, the proposed one is better. Although, I believe the style guide puts mobs' names in lower-case? The Ender Dragon page title itself contradicts this however, so I'm left a little confused. – Sealbudsman ^talk/_contr 18:26, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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 capitalization fixed The Blobs^{👁 Image}
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This section tells how to respawn the ender dragon, and gives a slight indication of why a player might want to, but it gives not instructions for fighting a respawned dragon. The Blobs^{👁 Image}
23:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I wish someone put a tutorial for farming the ender dragon there --120.152.159.157 05:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

How do you farm an ender dragon. If you mean making a mob farm for killing and farming the Ender dragon For xp that would be very hard and costly and you would have to maintain all the time. You can kill him and re spawn him using End Crystals and repeat though. 73.89.66.98 14:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

With the addition of scaffolding, it would let players move up and down quickly, as well as build and repair the ladder. They could build the scaffolding undercover, or climb up and down to attack. Edisonjones2 (talk) 01:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I will update this whole article soon. I will put on my to do list. Once i log in though. Thanks good idea. 73.89.66.98 14:55, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Should there be a “basic guide” and a speedrun guide next to this one because the item list holds too many advanced and hard to get things, early players will have too much trouble on understanding and getting the highly specific stuff. Just saying it would help a lot of people such as my sister who never listens to me and thinks I’m lying about a basic guide and she is new to minecraft so I’d like her to read something multi-checked by various people so she can finally beat the game.– Unsigned comment added by Rain Is awesomes Alt (talk • contribs) at 20:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

Yes, but the larger problem is, who are these tutorials even for? Everything here needs to be classified as beginner, intermediate, or advanced. And advanced can be split into speedrun strats and normal, where you care about more than just a short term goal.

I'd start by tagging some of the advice here as advanced, to warn beginners. --Dbratland (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

No. However someone did ruin the ite list so thats nice i guess, like, why fire aspect on sword, why not mending on anything, why silk touch pickaxe, and why flame bow, YOU CANT SET THE DRAGON ON FIRE OR KNOCK THEM BACK

I changed it some days ago, because I also thought it was way to much for a beginner. I removed those markers, as it was too distracting and honestly, pro players know what items they can skip. There are a lot of useful items for the fight through, I tried to order by importance.

Furthermore, there was a lot of duplicate text in that section, I removed that aswell. Don't be shy, I'm always open for constructive criticism :) (talk) 11:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi! There’s a duplicate of this page in Tutorials/Killing The Ender Dragon. One of them have to be removed. What do u think? TheSilentPearl (talk) 02:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

If there are no replies on this by December, it will turn into a redirect page TheSilentPearl (talk) 02:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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 Very strong oppose removal or redirecting the original page at Tutorials/Defeating the ender dragon. Original page should be restored to 2023 October 24 revision. Delvin4519 (talk) 02:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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 Comment: Your page was created after this page was. If any page should be redirected, it's yours. And it really should, because they are the same topic. Tutorials/Killing the Ender Dragon is the duplicate, not this. -- ThatOneWolf ^{Time for a chat?_{See my edits?}} 03:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

This page is kinda bad and outdated. It suits no one as the new page is better TheSilentPearl (talk) 21:05, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Well we’ll hold a vote then when my page is finished. TheSilentPearl (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Why should there be a vote when you're the only person who wants this page? If you want to update something, just add it to the existing one.--Realshow19 (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Well we’ll see then TheSilentPearl (talk) 21:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

If the speedrunning community gets hold of this the tides will change almost instantly lol TheSilentPearl (talk) 21:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you understand the point of the tutorials, this isn't a speedrunning guide. Speedrunning is a niche sport, not the definitive way of playing the game. These pages are designed to teach new players how to process certain mechanics or tasks, not something they could spend years mastering.--Realshow19 (talk) 21:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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I agree to the removal174.168.40.96 22:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I do not agree to the removal, this tutorial is fine. - GXDdcZ123 ᐸ Talk
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Well eventually ill count the votes and make a decision jg TheSilentPearl (talk) 22:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

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plighting_engineerd (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

This page is overkill, is it not obvious already. And I hit a one cycle FIRST TRY when I first learnt it anyways, it isn't even that hard.TheSilentPearl (talk) 02:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

How exactly is it overkill? This isn't an art piece, it's a guide for beating a boss in a video game. If we got rid of it, people would be left with an advanced, niche technique. If you have any issues with it, again, just change the original page.--Realshow19 (talk) 02:28, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Please just stop trying to defend your case. It's not working for you. You're heavily outnumbered, literally everyone else thinks this page should stay. And rightfully so. Also, if you keep moving your page to the mainspace, an admin could see that as disruptive. I think you may know what happens when admins see disruptive editors. -- ThatOneWolf ^{Time for a chat?_{See my edits?}} 02:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

outnumbered here, but if i constantly tell ppl in the speedrunning community to agree with me maybe the tides will change TheSilentPearl (talk) 02:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay but why though? The current page is already done. --Realshow19 (talk) 03:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

There's no reason to delete this tutorial and replace it instead of just improving the existing tutorial. Generally, if a page is improvable, you should edit it instead of repeatedly trying to get it deleted and replaced by your own page that serves the exact same function. Also, wiki decisions are determined by consensus and strength of arguments, not pure numbers, so convincing a bunch of people from an outside community to vote in your favor is likely not going to help your case. I would strongly advise you to stop trying to get everyone to agree with you, wait until the protection expires, and simply edit the existing page to include any information you think would be helpful that isn't here already. Getting involved in editing wars and repeatedly making the same talk page posts, like you've been doing, is disruptive and could lead to a block from editing. --Madminecrafter12 (talk) 03:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm coming from the speedrunning community (after you've told us to come here to agree with you). I don't agree with you. Trying to get this page deleted does not make sense, and not everyone wants to speedrun the game. --Ataraxia (talk) 11:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

sorry if this looks too vague but what happened is some dude got a page i wrote deleted cuz it sucks and then says 1 page has to be deleted. luckily i have the things in the page but it was their idea to delete a page. its those dudes that left me no choice lmao TheSilentPearl (talk) 13:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

also i remember you and stop lying to yourself - you literally type one message every 3 months and can't complete a run properly lmao and you still consider yourself "part of the community" TheSilentPearl (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

It's really hard to follow your comments considering you don't add replies properly and just add your comments in a seemingly random order. This is not a place for external drama either, but I feel the need to address what you have brought up, since I think you might have mistaken me for someone else. I was a moderator for the official minecraft speedrunning discord for over a year, and I've been fairly active in speedrunning discords for the past few years. I think that more than qualifies me as a member of the community. --Ataraxia (talk) 13:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

well but still id overhaul this page cuz ig ppl dont want it removed. but then many of the sections will be moved to new pages of its own because iirc one of the mods told me a few months back that they're moving pages to boost the new wiki's seo.

That'd be a really good idea. If it wasn't as simple as that. I think this tutorial is overkill. Adding simply won't be enough. A complete overhaul is needed and clearly no one here is supportive of that. TheSilentPearl (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

i am, however, very supportive of an overhaul, but those guys don't, because it will make this passage a shadow of its former self cuz it only talks about 1 strategy whereas I talk about multiple. And many irrelevant topics will have its own page. TheSilentPearl (talk) 03:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

either way, an overhaul will happen, whether you like it or not. i forgot which admin said that more pages can boost the new wiki's seo, so if i separate some of the sections in different pages that will be nice. Then there's the respawning thing which will be completely removed like literally everyone says it should be. TheSilentPearl (talk) 13:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

A major edit is completely fine. That's not what we are arguing against. A major edit to this page is great as long as you keep this page and keep it as a first-time person guide. That's the whole point of a tutorial. Your page is a bunch of speedrunning strategies, not a tutorial. -- ThatOneWolf ^{Time for a chat?_{See my edits?}} 14:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

lmao one cycle is easy, 4 bedding ain't. TheSilentPearl (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

ive also asked spyass to help out with easier strats like 2 cycling. TheSilentPearl (talk) 14:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Still. That goes against the purpose of a tutorial. A tutorial is designed for newer players to know how to fight the dragon and defeat it. It's not meant to be a page of speedrunning strategies, like your page. Please, just stop arguing against it. -- ThatOneWolf ^{Time for a chat?_{See my edits?}} 14:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

well the main part of this tutorial will stay i never said it wont. TheSilentPearl (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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