Talk:Ominous Trial Spawner

I think the current description of the ominous trial spawner as a "type of spawner" is misleading. Really, it is a state of the trial spawner when in an ominous trial. While its possible to see similarities with Ominous Vault being described as a seperate block, those do not convert between the states, and are found in different places. Ominous trial spawners, on the other hand are "just" trial spawners that behave differently sometimes. This isn't to say we should merge this article into trial spawner (although that is an option), but rather to argue that this page should explain the changed behavior rather than trying to describe the entire block again. I would therefore propose to change the introduction into for example:

"Ominous trial spawners are a phase of trial spawners while in an ominous trial. When in this state, they spawn mob often wearing chainmail, iron or diamond armor (helmets or/and chestplates) with the bolt armor trim made from copper, spawn ominous item spawners that drop projectiles and lingering potions on players and mobs, and provide different loot upon defeating one provide different loot upon defeating one."

The rest of the article would then only need to list the changes in behavior (mob spawns, the ominous item spawners, changed loot table, and changes sounds), rather than the entire block. jacobsjo (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Mojang directly refers to this as "A more powerful active phase of the Trial Spawner" which gives me the impression that they see it as the same thing, contrary to the Ominous Vault which they call "A variant of Vaults", meaning that it is based on the same thing but quite different. Personally, I think it would be best to merge both pages, obviously with a redirect. {{subst:cph101TalkContribs}} 16:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong Oppose - That's bad. See explanation below. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 16:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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 Nit-picking The statement I am responding is this one:

Ominous trial spawners, on the other hand are "just" trial spawners that behave differently sometimes. This isn't to say we should merge this article into trial spawner

are "just" trial spawners that behave differently

"just"

Ominous trial spawners are quite different from trial spawners.

However, I will admit: when I first learned about them yesterday, I also thought the pages should be merged. My first thoughts was "this is just a temporary phase it goes through during a specific event". However, as I though about it, I realized that the differences between those block states, the appeareance of the blocks, and the loot they drop makes enough difference to call them different blocks. The ominous spawner feeling distinct is an intended part of the game design, and we should reflect that by having a wiki page for it. As I wise man did not once say:

An ominous trial spawner is to a trial spawner as top-half smooth stone slab is to bottom-half smooth stone slab. You gotta split 'em all!

If we merge the 2 pages, the ominous spawner will need to get its own section, either in Usage or between usage and obtaining. And that would be a pain to navigate for users who don't want to navigate the rest of the page. Also, the ominous spawner is actually "obtained" through a special process (the ominous trial), and there is a lot of added complex behavior for the ominous spawner. Players who just want non-ominous spawner info are going to get annoyed by the ominous clutter. And players who want ominous spawner info will get annoyed by clutter from the non-ominous spanwer. Not to mention that the added mechanics of the ominous spawner warrant giving it many gallery images that would apply to it, and the fact that the 2 blocks look different. Merging the 2 pages would require the info box to have 6 block states in it: Inactive, Active, Ejecting, Inactive Ominous, Active Ominous, and Ejecting Ominous. That's pretty bad, if you ask me. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 17:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I have never argued for merging the articles. I fully agree that there are enough differences that those differences should be detailed on a separate page (this one). I am simply arguing that this page shouldn't repeat all the information that is common between trial spawners and ominous trial spawners. jacobsjo (talk) 17:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe that Simanelix is responding to cph101's comment, he just forgot to properly indent his reply. ✿ShadowMistress✿ t+c 18:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, it is 3 things at once:

• A response to cph101.
• A criticism of some sentences in the original post.
• A response to Jacobsjo's comment below.

--Simanelix ^(T|C) 18:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Could you then please clarify your position in regard to the proposal of "Don't repeat the information that is common in both states on this page". The "Usage" section of the trial spawner article is pretty long, and most of it also applies in the ominous state. jacobsjo (talk) 19:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

My position is I support avoiding duplicate information. I even just rewrote the page and made sure to avoid adding duplicate information. The only info that should be duplicated is information regarding the process of a trial spanwer becoming ominous. Also, maybe I should somehow clarify that an ominous trial spawner is a trial spawner that has become ominous. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 19:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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 Comment Okay??? The ominous trial spawner is just a variant of the trial spawner. The current trial spawner page should look like the ominous vault page, which I just rewrote a few hours ago. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 16:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? So you are arguing that this page should treat ominous trial spawners as a separate block? But it isn't. It can't just be written like the ominous vault page because it is converted from a normal trial spawner and converts back to the normal trial spawner when the cooldown is over. It fundamentally is just a trial spawner that behaves differently while in an ominous trial. jacobsjo (talk) 17:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes and no. They should have separate pages, but they are not technically separate blocks, just like how stone was not technically a separate block from andesite for a long time. In fact, I mentioned this for the Ominous Vault. I just wrote a {Strong Oppose} above, which explains what I mean. If you have more questions, feel free to ask. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 17:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

That is not a fair comparison. Stone doesn't just convert into andesite bacause something happens nearby. This argument isn't about the technical aspect, but rather that the block regularly changes between the 2 states during normal gameplay. jacobsjo (talk) 17:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I propose we merge this page with trail spawner as ominous trial spawners are a trail spawner block state and we make the ominous trial spawner a section Iloveshrews (talk) 16:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It's pretty much the same, really. Nerdyguy2000 (talk) 18:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I disagree.Drour1234 (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

They are literaly the same block, this is like if inactive redstone ore and active redstone ore where the same page(I know it's a really random example but it was all I could think of). CrockCraftMC (talk) 21:46, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Though, it is a block state of the trial spawner. It does have quite a few similarities. It's just... different in a few ways. Not to say that your disagreement has no reason behind it. Nerdyguy2000 (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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 Support, they're pretty much the same, per the other people's reasoning, plus the articles have the same wording as podzol vs grass, which implies that they're different blocks when really, they aren't. 👁 Image
GameCatastrophe (talk) 23:05, 17 November 2025 (UTC)