Forum:Compact history table

History table is currently not very mobile friendly. For example the article Player has all the version names cover the entirety of the screen and thus you have to scroll to see the changelogs. This is mostly caused by the width of LCE history and the font size used for version names. I propose we do these to make it more compact:

1. Smaller font size for version names.
2. Use tabber for LCE history to switch the first column.
3. Different editions have their own colspan.

These changes I think will not cause much problems especially for LCE since the game has long been discontinued. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 06:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong Support. Yes, please! -~- Nerdyguy2000   talk   edits 14:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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 Support for mobile only. I think on desktop the thing causing history sections to be too big is simply that there is too much history, these three changes would feel like downgrades to me even if they are saving space. I will say though that I'm curious to see what the third proposal point would look like on desktop, I predict it will look messy but I'm curious anyway. - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
14:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

That's true. I'm simply supporting the proposal because I am on mobile and I like a good improvement. (See my contributions. All of those edits has the mobile edit tag.) -~- Nerdyguy2000   talk   edits 14:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

On second thought, I'd like the font size change on desktop too. We already make the experiments text smaller and it's perfectly readable while saving noticeable space. - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
11:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong oppose for using a tabber for LCE versions, as it makes it harder to search for a version number using  +  and having all information visible at once is preferable. I 👁 Image
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Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 15:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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 Oppose tabber on desktop. -~- Nerdyguy2000   talk   edits 14:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Why not just add an "all" tab? -- Simanelix ^(T|C) 14:20, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

What does an "all" tab look like? KorayTehGOAT (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

The same as the current table, so listing all of the versions for each edition. -- Simanelix ^(T|C) 04:05, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

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 Support for mobile only. Status quo is not very usable on phones.  Nixinova   T   C   03:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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 Support mobile-only. --GIM Dianliang233 T C 05:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

[↩ Moved to §#violine1101's proposal]

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 Soft oppose | If the font size change will only be visible to mobile users. 👁 Image
 Strong oppose | If the font size change will also affect desktop users.

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What even is tabber or LCE? (Sul4ur) 13:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Can someone show me an example of what it would look like? (Sul4ur) 13:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

See proposals below. — 3A |  T  C  13:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Strong Support Yes, of course. KorayTehGOAT (talk) 11:47, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

I feel like the massive tables we have right now are not good and need an improvement overall, rather than just minor tweaks. In the short term, adding tabber would be one option, but another would be to split the table up into multiple tables and use sub-headings for the different editions, like the quick draft I made on User:Violine1101/Warden history. On mobile, the history section can be collapsed by default anyway, so I'm not convinced collapsing the table on mobile makes sense. | violine1101 ^(talk) 16:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Here's also a draft for another complicated history section: User:Violine1101/Cobblestone history | violine1101 ^(talk) 17:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Added User:Violine1101/Player history too since it was used as an example above. The legacy console table still isn't ideal on mobile, but at least its width no longer affects the other edition. | violine1101 ^(talk) 17:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I really like this, especially the warden prototype information not being forced into a table format.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 12:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I really like these proofs of concept. I just remembered them after noticing the blue strider render (Strider#Renders) and old pale garden generation screenshots (Pale Garden#Development images) in gallery sections although they are outdated features (and thus, as per the style guide, should be moved to the history section). I am also fond of the addition of the texture history subsection (including Jappa's iterations) and sound history subsection, which is something lacking on the wiki (historical textures are documented in an obscure and outdated page, while historical sounds are usually hidden in massive tables). - Zamburger (talk) 09:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Cool but legacy console still renders terribly, you have to scroll to see it all. Then again it does look a little weird on PC, but I could get used to it. Overall 👁 Image
 Support Minecraftdude143 (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 08:31, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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Per-section tables actually look really nice. Why haven't we thought of this before?!  Nixinova   T   C   09:21, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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 Support - I think others have pointed out the positives of this proposal. My word is useless here.

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Analytical^(talk) 09:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Info - I've now implemented this for Warden#History. I think we should roll this out across all pages; further CSS improvements (see section below) can still be added afterwards of course. | violine1101 ^(talk) 14:31, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

This seems like a very extensive task to complete, shouldn't it be better to make it into a project instead? – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 20:07, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Splitting up the history tables could just be done with a bot. | violine1101 ^(talk) 21:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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s for good measure.  Nixinova  T ⁄ C  08:15, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 21:53, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I've now added history subsections to the style guide. Feel free to tweak. | violine1101 ^(talk) 09:53, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok. KorayTehGOAT (talk) 10:27, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

The new history sections look great with the separate tables. –LauraFi - talk 17:10, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

I have made some slight changes to how version names should appear on the table here. All LCE version names are now rendered vertically rather than horizontally. This seems to be better overall and doesn't actually hinder readibility since mobile devices are quite "mobile" to see the version clearly. Note that despite the changes are apparent on desktop, these changes are intended only for mobile skin, hence the styles should eventually be added only to Minerva. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 10:22, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

I have also added one of the examples from violine's proposal on the doc page to see how it would look if both proposals are considered. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 10:22, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

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Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 12:35, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Support - looks good using Minerva.--Arina (she/her) 13:12, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't love the vertical names but it's undeniably better than what we have now. I wonder what it would look like if we did the same style as the recently released mobile navboxes. Regardless, great work and definite 👁 Image
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 Soft support, I like it, but I worry some people won't be able to read the vertical text well. Also it's broken for me, the dev version boxes have extremely small width so they can't fit the text. - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
14:51, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I should note I'm on Chrome IOS (though I hear that IOS just turns every browser into Safari). - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
15:16, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Neutral Personally not a fan at all of vertical text, and I think it poses a problem for accessibility, but at the same time I can't really think of any other solutions without completely changing the way history tables are displayed. This implementation has some rendering issues on my end (Firefox on Android): File:Vertical text issue.png.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 14:57, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I will take a look on that. It's arguably much better if you see it with the Chrome browser because the vertical names don't got stretched too long and there isn't so much wasted space vertically. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 15:02, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Turns out writing-mode: vertical-lr is freakishly broken [1] [2] in Firefox. I don't think it can ever be fixed without involving javascript (thanks Firefox). – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 19:58, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Considering that non-LCE dev versions cannot be reliably rotated. I have modified the format to only rotate LCE versions. This now should be fine for all popular browsers. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 21:03, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Doesn't work properly with desktop Firefox unless your browser's window width is 1120px or more. The same issue as in the picture above. Arina (she/her) 21:11, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Are you sure you have cleared the cache? The issue is not present in my Firefox both on desktop and mobile. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 21:24, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes I did. Arina (she/her) 08:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Neutral. Don't love it but it certainly helps the width issue.  Nixinova   T   C   06:12, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Support. 2401:4900:A50F:7DC3:0:0:25A4:F144 09:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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 Strong Support KorayTehGOAT (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Since this has received much support, I would like to ask if anyone found any problems with it. We may then implement this on small screen devices with Minerva skin after the violine's proposal implementation process has finished. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 08:23, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

@Violine1101 now that yours has been done (I think?), can this also be implemented? It only takes effect for small screen devices. We can close the forum after that. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 16:17, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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 Done | violine1101 ^(talk) 04:17, 17 March 2026 (UTC)