Movie talk:Gang

It was chosen as a placeholder, with the expectation that the film would either give them an official name or have some term used enough we could treat it as one. We could still change it given the film’s already likely to get a sequel, probably going to become a franchise, but for now this is the only real option. Realshow19 (talk) 05:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

There's been a bit of a disagreement over the name of the page. Misfits was always supposed to be temporary, but I don't think "gang" is really any better. It's obviously not an official name for one, and really I'd argue is twice as generic. Misfit at least tells you something about their situation, any group in the movie can be called a "gang." If anything the name would probably make more sense for the bullies, since gang can have negative connotations.

Regardless, until they get an actual name I think it's best we stick with what's practical. From what I understand, the name gang comes from Dawn using an expression, not really referring to them as a group but talking to the only people around. This is also only in the junior novelization, which while helpful and shouldn't be ignored is based off an earlier draft of the script, so we should be mindful of where it's used. Even if the name gang is what we stick with and agree on, most people here simply haven't read the book, if we're gonna change pages to follow it we should figure out how to cite it first. Just saying it's in the book doesn't mean much. Realshow19 (talk) 23:15, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

The use of the word “Gang” by Dawn in the novelization is more of a name than “misfits”, which occurs in a Minecraft.net article to describe the type of people the four of them are. No other group in the film or its tie-in materials are called the Gang. The bullies don’t need a page since they are both on the Other characters page. The reference citation says it is from the last paragraph of chapter nine in the book. If people want to check the accuracy, then they would need to buy the book. There is no way around that.Drour1234 (talk) 23:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

The source of the name misfit was a plot summary already on the page, and again was always meant to be a placeholder. I think it's better than gang, but I'd still like to change it. Dawn addressing her friends as gang is just an expression, a figure of speech. As an example, Fred from Scooby-Doo says things like "gang, we need to split up" all the time, but nobody thinks they are literally just called "the Gang." If we're going to change the name of the page, we should first reach a consensus on what it should be, not look for any random word that could be kind of considered a name.

We might as well just make a more specific name ourselves, changing every single link is quite the undertaking, and shoehorning "gang" into sentences just because that's what you decided the page should be called results in some clunk. A compromise could just be something with both terms, like Gang of Misfits or The Misfit Gang. When we first thought of the page we used Jesse's Gang as a comparison, but really I'm not sure you could consider any of them a leader. Garrett is the main character but he spends the most time away from the rest, and Henry certainly isn't leading them. Realshow19 (talk) 23:43, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Is this page even needed? Sure these are the four humans that happened to enter the overworld at the same time due to a series of events, but there's barely any prior relation that links all of them together (e.g no relation between Dawn and Garrett or Henry, no relation between Natalie and Garrett etc). The only scene where they act as a group without being split or Steve being involved is the first night, and I don't think this is enough to warrant a separate page for them as a group.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 00:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

The page was mainly made for practical reasons, a number of summaries and infoboxes had to link each of them individually and it ended up being cumbersome. Realshow19 (talk) 00:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

I think linking to the individual character pages would be more useful than having a page about a practically non-existent group. If we want to keep a page about the group of protagonists for practical reasons then I would also include Steve and name it something neutral such as "Protagonists".--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 00:25, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

From my experience there aren't really many infoboxes that would really need to account for Steve, either they'd link to him or they'd link to the four. That said, if we went this route I think Steve's Gang would be the best name for it Realshow19 (talk) 00:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

In the Live Event, the phrase "Steve and his companions" is mentioned. So "Steve's companions" could be a good compromise.Drour1234 (talk) 00:39, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Good idea.Drour1234 (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

The name appears in the novelization. The page can be expanded.Drour1234 (talk) 20:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Is it used as a name or is it just said though? I don’t think they have a formal title. Realshow19 (talk) 20:52, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

It is an official name (a name, but not a proper name), which is why it has a citation.Drour1234 (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

If it's the official name then there shouldn't be a conjecture template, and if it's not a proper name then how do you know it's the intended one? Realshow19 (talk) 00:56, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

I've checked the book (at least, through Google) and the only mention of the word gang is at the start of a sentence. Dawn was just using an expression, not naming the team she's a part of. Realshow19 (talk) 01:21, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

If this is the case, then it shouldn't be capitalized (I seriously think we have capitalization problem in many pages but I just can't be bothered) 👁 Image
QwertyLilley ^[talk] 02:22, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

If there's not any official name we should probably just go with whatever is most efficient. When I made the page it had the placeholder title Misfits, that might be more practical in the long run. Inevitably we're going to get more plucky hero groups like this that can be called a gang. Realshow19 (talk) 02:26, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Gang may not be a proper name, but it is still an official name.Drour1234 (talk) 02:34, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

You haven't given any evidence it's the official name, just that the word was said once. If, say, Noor called Sunny dude, that wouldn't mean Dude is an alias of Sunny. That's just smalltalk. Realshow19 (talk) 02:37, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

An official name is a name used in an official source. “Gang” is used in an official source to refer specifically to Henry, Dawn, Natalie, and Garrett. The term misfits was used in a minecraft.net article describing the four, not referring to them. Neither is a proper name, but one was used as a name while the other was not.Drour1234 (talk) 02:46, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

But, it wasn't used as a name. You're ignoring the context. Realshow19 (talk) 02:48, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

At this point we could be arguing if a kitchen is named kitchen or not and if it should be capitalized. Dour always just official this, official there, but doesn't justify further why it should be done this way or that. 👁 Image
QwertyLilley ^[talk] 03:01, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

It was used as a name, just not as a proper name.Drour1234 (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

It was used as a word. An expression. If there's another section where it's used as a name, give proof. Just saying it's official over and over without a point is nonconstructive, it makes it sound like you decided on the name first and looked for any evidence to support it. Realshow19 (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

The same can be argued regarding any word, including the term “misfits”, which isn’t used to refer to the group specifically. The only name I could see as being a better placeholder term than “Gang” would be “Team” since “Team” is a term used in the film to refer to all five characters in the scene in the Mushroom Safe House.Drour1234 (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

I don’t think it matters what random words are used in the movie, either they have a name (which they don’t) or they can be called by whatever is most efficient for us. Realshow19 (talk) 17:21, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Any conjecture name used by us should have at least some basis in the film and its tie-in content. Such a good placeholder name could be "Steve and his companions", as that phrase is mentioned in A Minecraft Movie Live Event.Drour1234 (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

A conjecture name doesn’t need to be rooted in something that was already said, nobody is going to recognize something that needlessly obscure. Maybe if it was something very specific, like a joke where someone calls them the Garrett Gang or Pickaxe Force, but that never happened. Realshow19 (talk) 17:33, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Honestly this page doesn't even need to exist at all. The page in its current state is just an infobox and a gallery with a handful of images, and the biography section would be a repeat of the movie summary and/or individual characters' biographies. The "group" as a whole doesn't even have an official name (neither "gang" nor "misfits" are), and the group of protagonists could be simply referred to as "protagonists" or "heroes" in other pages (or each character listed individually, they rarely act as a full, complete group), with no need to have a link to this page.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 17:27, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, the purpose of making it was to streamline mentions of these characters but it doesn’t seem like anyone can agree what it should be like, if they’re even editing it at all. Maybe we’ll get a proper name someday but it’s not really solving anything. Realshow19 (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

I've seen MCSM:Jesse's gang being mentioned to justify this page. The thing is, Jesse's gang is an established group named as New Order of the Stone (that's also the actual name of that page). If the main protagonists in Story Mode aren't an established group at all, they wouldn't have a page. 👁 Image
QwertyLilley ^[talk] 17:36, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

This page definitely needs to be expanded. It could perhaps be turned into a page about the concept of heroes in relation to the film in contrast to the term used in the rest of the Minecraft franchise.Drour1234 (talk) 17:39, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

A Mojang employee. Realshow19 (talk) 03:18, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Corrected to link to her page. Realshow19 (talk) 02:34, 10 November 2025 (UTC)