Talk:Technoblade

Notability exception

While MCW:Notability general doesn't allow pages about persons unrelated to Mojang, I think Technoblade should be considered an exception to that rule. There have been multiple tributes made to him, the most recent one in the movie. To document these properly with the required context, a full article is needed in my opinion. Technoblade is the only person to have received such a tribute in the game, so a special exception to our rules seems appropriate. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 22:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Support I’d say this is an easy exception. Realshow19 (talk) 22:30, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

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Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 22:40, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Support -Drour1234 (talk) 23:05, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Oppose unless the exceptions are explicitly written into the notability page directly. — BabylonAS 16:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

This seems like a fair request to me. -BrianGLHF (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Well then it wouldn’t be an exception, it’d be a revision. Realshow19 (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Even better, the notability page requires many changes anyway. — BabylonAS 16:14, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah agreed, I have a pitch up right now but there are a few other things I want to suggest. Realshow19 (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

See also MCT:Notability#Allowing pages about third-party content | violine1101 ^(talk) 17:56, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Listing exceptions in the notability page directly would just unnecessary bloat the guideline, making it harder to understand. We would have to include the reasoning for the exception in the guideline to avoid confusion, at which point it is no longer an exception but a overly complex guidelne. Having the consensus and arguments for the exception on the topics talk page directly makes it easier to find the reasoning later. It is also the place where future changes to an exception should be discussed as it only relates to a single article, doing that on the notability talk page would be out of scope. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 17:58, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Maybe as a compromise there could be a separate page listing and explaining exceptions, could be handy to keep track of good reasons in case someone tries proposing more. Realshow19 (talk) 18:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Could it be something as simple as “acknowledged in the game or other parts of the franchise by the developers/creators”? — BabylonAS 09:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

That would include a lot more people than just Technoblade. The point of an exception is being a special case which can't be properly defined in the guidelines. Adding super complex conditions to the guidelines to allow only one or two specific pages while disallowing everyone else is nearly impossible and very likely to backfire in the future. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 11:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

What’s the point in rules if they’re not to be followed? Either we define concrete justifications for this article to exist and implement them as notability guidelines, or we don’t and just delete this article. In the former case, I don’t see an issue with other such articles existing, though I don’t think we should go too overboard with this: after all, we’re a wiki about the franchise itself, not about the myriad content creators. Alternatively, we could create a dedicated overview article on content creators that are reflected in the actual game or other franchise products.

Note that I am a fan of Technoblade (unfortunately, only became one after he died), but wiki rules are wiki rules. — BabylonAS 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

They are guidelines to document the general community consensus on what pages are allowed on the wiki and which aren't. Their purpose is to avoid having a discussion for every single page if it should exist or not by having the general consensus documented. However the guideline isn't absolue, community consensus can always overwrite them for specific pages if that is better for the wiki. Be that to remove or merge some pages which are generally allowed by the notability guidelines (Mojang employees with too little known info, or very similar blocks/items like the different log types being merged), or to allow some specific pages that generally wouldn't be allowed (myths like Herobrine). This discussion topic is here to established that community consensus for keeping a Technoblade article. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 12:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

There is nothing in the notability page saying right now that such exceptions are allowed at all. BabylonAS 13:39, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Is there anything saying it's a hard and fast rule, no exceptions ever? Gwen Stacy (talk) 13:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

To quote (emphasis mine), Articles are allowed in content namespaces only if they fit the following criteria. Articles that do not fit the criteria may be deleted or redirected without notice. BabylonAS 13:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

It's in the intro paragraph of MCW:STYLE of which notability was a part of for a decade before being split into it's own page last year. Keeping a similar sentence on notability was missed during that split. Also besides MCW:RULES all wiki policies and guidelines allow exceptions, see also MCW:Use common sense. If no exceptions at all from notability would be possible, there would be no Herobrine article either. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

“Ignore all rules” is just not correct in my opinion. Rules exist to be followed, not to be broken, and each has a reason behind them. If the rules are flawed, they must be modified, not circumvented, or we will have a mess instead of a wiki. If the article would be left as it is, there will inevitably be a user like Arina who will request deleting it because the current notability guidelines have no provision for it (not even something like “decided on case-by-case basis”). Same for Herobrine, and I do recall someone proposing deletion of the Spleef article too. BabylonAS 19:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

This does not seem related to Technoblade imo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ More of a Notability talk page rn 👁 Image
Ayaan 20:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Notability exception discussion should probably take place on the Notability talk page. Agreed -BrianGLHF (talk) 20:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Support Gwen Stacy (talk) 16:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

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alizard (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Support - though I'm unsure if this would even count as an exception; e.g. we already had articles about CaptainSparklez and others because of their role in Story Mode, and this isn't much different. | violine1101 ^(talk) 17:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Good point, actually. Gwen Stacy (talk) 18:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

The other articles aren't technically about the YouTuber, but the voice actor. The fact that they are a Minecraft YouTuber is irrelevant for their notability. For Technoblade the page would actually be about the YouTuber, hence the need for an exception. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 18:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, if he ever did an official collaboration like the rest I don’t think it’s been on our radar. Realshow19 (talk) 18:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

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