Talk:Mob (entity)

i think this page should be split between hostile and human mob. reason: they where two separate entities --173.180.201.172 20:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

... This page is only about the human mob... that the behavior changed in versions is irrelevant, and still belongs on this page. FVbico (talk) 20:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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 Oppose They look and are commonly called exactly the same, and when they were "split" between Mob and Monster they couldn't be spawned legitimately, so split is not warranted. Sagessylu (discuss | edits) 12:01, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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 Very Weak Support 00001H^{add witty comments to his inbox}_{see what he had done} 03:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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 I agree 193.188.114.194 04:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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 Oppose. Not enough content to warrant two stand-alone articles. Amatulic (talk) 18:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes 87.75.121.199 12:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I Agree 87.75.121.199 12:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Oppose.Most definitelt Not enough content to warrant two stand-alone articles, would only cause confusion. Draglorr (talk) 18:05, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

The merge request has been up for a while now on the pages mentioned in the title. The reason given is that they are "actually the same mob as the Human, just that the models was changed during Indev before becoming the Human again." They would obviously have their own sections on the page and their original pages would redirect to these sections. However, it may be confusing with all the pages being together. -Yekulten (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2022

These two mobs are completely different. 2 years have passed and we didn't even split this page yet. – Unsigned comment added by AnTozzi (talk • contribs) at 18:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

Yes. I Agree 87.75.121.199 12:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

i remember browsing this wiki years before this page was updated and Rana, Beast Boy, Black Beast Boy, and Steve (Mob) were merged in. i swear that Rana, Beast Boy, Black Beast Boy, and Steve (Mob) each had unique drops, but for some reason this information isn't on the page outside of briefly being mentioned in the update section. i know Rana specifically dropped apples and roses, but the update section says rana dropped sulphur, string and feathers for some reason. should this have more testing done? --- sketchyswirl^(sandbox)<3 02:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Upon looking at the page history, yes, the Rana page used to state apples and roses were dropped (as well as an assortment of other things). In order to verify the true nature of Rana in game, however, someone would actually need to run those old versions and test for themselves. Just because it was on the wiki doesn't mean it was true. ZacNVR (talk) 02:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Pretty sure it was false information. I will check tomorrow, but IIRC the information currently on the page should be correct.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 02:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

im aware fanmade wikis aren't always correct, thats why i was asking. i went and ran the old versions Rana was in to test just out of curiosity. here are my findings:

first version, (indev 0.31 20091223-0040): appears to not have a survival mode. there is no inventory and no swords, and Rana cannot be hit (you just break the blocks behind her if you try). i dug a Rana down until she fell into lava and she just casually floated on it without taking damage.

second version, (indev 0.31 20100105): you are in survival (or at least an early form of it) and can hit the Rana mobs. they die, but drop nothing (i killed over 10 Ranas to test).

third version, (indev 0.31 20100111-1): functions similarly. the player doesnt spawn with a sword, but i killed 10 Ranas with my pickaxe and none of them dropped items.

fourth version (indev 0.31 20100125-1): this version froze so i wasn't able to test it unfortunately.

fifth version (indev 0.31 20100125-2): first version that you spawn in a house! i killed 10 Ranas with an axe and none of them dropped anything. (also idk if its specific to this version but i noticed you have p much infinite reach when attacking in at least this version. made killing lots of Ranas much easier lmao)

sixth version (indev 0.31 20100129): supposedly the version that removed the Rana model, but it also froze like 20100125 so i couldnt test this version either

looks like Rana dropping roses and apples was just someones wishful thinking that ended up staying on the wiki for a while. oh well! this was fun to test anyways ^-^ i's gonna remove the claim in the update section that Rana dropped anything. --- sketchyswirl^(sandbox)<3 03:22, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

The original pages for all four of the old MD3 mobs made by Dock were created on November 5/6 2010, almost a year after they were removed from the game:

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Steve_(mob)?oldid=25215

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Black_Steve?oldid=25216

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Beast_Boy?oldid=25219

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Rana?oldid=24870

This was just a few days after Notch's first confirmation of the default player character being named "Steve": https://twitter.com/notch/status/29566494948

Besides Rana having a confirmed official name, neither Notch nor Dock ever mentioned the names of the other mobs anywhere as far as I've been able to find. Mobs didn't even have names in the game code during indev, and the textures of these mobs are named mcexport.png, mcexport2.png, and mcexport3.png, which means the names of these mobs couldn't have come from the game itself either. It seems that what happened was someone on the wiki just came up with the names "Steve", "Black Steve" and "Beast Boy" for these mobs and no one ever questioned it and the names stuck. AlienAgent124 (talk) 06:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Agreed. In the absense of evidence these names should be removed. I have made a new version of this page here: User:Nixinova/Mob (entity).  Nixinova   T   C   06:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Oppose Though I understand the concern, this is historical content, and those characters were named this officially. My memory fails me at the best of times, but i recall their names were not invented. It is likely that Notch named them.

One thing i want to clarify, is I did NOT name them. i see people claiming i invented the names myself. If i had, I would probably have ben more delicate, and called Black Steve, Carl, or something. I didn't even watch the show Beast Boy was based on. Either Dock or Notch named them, of that im positive. I was a Wiki Admin for 6 years, and often focused on the obscura.

It is possible the names were in the old blogs or youtube dev previews. Perhaps even conferred privately. Some of the info from that era was done so that way. I know I have a few direct emails and Twitter DMs with Notch myself (I could not find it there), particularly arising from my Quest for Cake campaign. A lot of this was also discussed via IRC back in the old days, it is possible the source was discovered in those ancient logs, should existing logs be found.

But they were not fanmade, that much I can guarantee you. --Kizzycocoa (talk) 09:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Well we have a conundrum then. We have no sources at all right now for these names being official. Maybe someone other than you named them that by the time the names found their way to you. As it stands right now these names are unverifiable which is antithetical to being kept on the wiki. We do need to find some sort of source for these. Should have a look through archives of the IRC logs and Word of Notch for something.  Nixinova   T   C   10:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

No 87.75.121.199 12:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Logs by 'Adura' found by Omniarchive:

Jan 29 09:47:12 <Notch> indev's been updated
Jan 29 09:47:19 <LK> Marach, you wre that one wich has made MBS ?
Jan 29 09:47:19 <Marach> yay, my beta testing application got appreoved.
Jan 29 09:47:26 <Marach> LK: yes
Jan 29 09:47:27 <Spadge> Notch: specific changes?
Jan 29 09:47:37 <LK> hmm, I'm makiing an underground water system
Jan 29 09:47:44 <Spadge> or any interesting ones?
Jan 29 09:47:46 <liq3> LK: eh?
Jan 29 09:47:50 <bildramer> yay
Jan 29 09:47:56 <LK> nvm
Jan 29 09:48:10 <liq3> chests are all empty. gasp.
Jan 29 09:48:15 <liq3> only start with flint.
Jan 29 09:48:15 <bildramer> GAAH
Jan 29 09:48:18 <bildramer> NO ITEMS
Jan 29 09:48:20 <bildramer> BUUUURN
Jan 29 09:48:21 <bildramer> :P
Jan 29 09:48:27 <Spadge> what about water creating blocks?
Jan 29 09:48:44 <LK> they are in there already, arent they ?
Jan 29 09:48:48 <Neko_Baron> yay no more ranas... I hope
Jan 29 09:48:59 <Bodie> so whats in the new indev?
Jan 29 09:49:05 --> jonnyabc (Mibbit@static-71-188-76-11.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #minecraft
Jan 29 09:49:08 --> Tumm (Tumm@dslb-092-077-078-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #minecraft
Jan 29 09:49:15 <Spadge> NOOOOOO my waterfalls!!!
Jan 29 09:49:16 <Spadge>  :(
Jan 29 09:49:16 <Bodie> crap, its doing that mouse thing :(
Jan 29 09:49:18 <Neko_Baron> new mob models presumably new player ones?
Jan 29 09:49:30 <bildramer> how do i crafted tools
Jan 29 09:50:07 <jonnyabc> i tried crafting and blew up my browser >_>
Jan 29 09:50:19 <bildramer> lol.
Jan 29 09:50:20 <bildramer> how?
Jan 29 09:50:24 <jonnyabc> dunno
Jan 29 09:50:25 <Spadge> OMG
Jan 29 09:50:27 <Spadge> player models!
Jan 29 09:50:31 CLONE on #minecraft: Bodie_, Bodie: *!*@124-169-93-210.dyn.iinet.net.au
Jan 29 09:50:31 --> Bodie_ (Mibbit@124-169-93-210.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #minecraft
Jan 29 09:50:34 <Marach> Bodie: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?id=5336
Jan 29 09:50:34 <Spadge> no animation yet, but nice work Dock
Jan 29 09:50:36 <jonnyabc> i put stuff in, it froze den poof
Jan 29 09:50:37 --> Miclee (Miclee@CPE001839f2360a-CM0012c99a3e00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #minecraft
Jan 29 09:50:44 <liq3> woot. wodden pickaxe. <3
Jan 29 09:51:10 <Bodie_> wow
Jan 29 09:51:12 <Bodie_> new models are great
Jan 29 09:51:14 <Roadcrosser> quite weird
Jan 29 09:51:15 <bildramer> Whoa
Jan 29 09:51:16 <bildramer> new model
Jan 29 09:51:21 <Marach> new model?

Jan 29 09:56:38 <Sean_TE> ooh whats new
Jan 29 09:56:39 <Ten_Tacles> Notch
Jan 29 09:56:44 <PuyoDead> Wow, I really like that model.
Jan 29 09:56:51 <Ten_Tacles> Crafting doesn't work right now.,
Jan 29 09:56:53 <Spadge> Sean_TE: http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/176/13766521.png
Jan 29 09:56:58 <Notch> it works for me
Jan 29 09:57:06 <Bodie_> crafting works for me
Jan 29 09:57:11 <Sean_TE> cool
Jan 29 09:57:11 <Bodie_> although i can't make anything more than torches
Jan 29 09:57:12 <Dock> do you like the skin? the red and green one is the default character.
Jan 29 09:57:12 <Bodie_>  :\
Jan 29 09:57:17 <Dock> PuyoDead: thanks :)
Jan 29 09:57:30 <liq3> Notch: how do you make axes? :(
Jan 29 09:57:30 <Sean_TE> red one looks like an old pedo
Jan 29 09:57:34 <Spadge> Dock: can you put the good ol' colored skin on?

Jan 29 10:00:14 <Peerko> how about a new youtube video? :)
Jan 29 10:00:32 <Dock> we don't have animation working on the character just yet
Jan 29 10:00:46 <bildramer> Notch: er...
Jan 29 10:00:50 <bildramer> How do we craft? :/
Jan 29 10:00:56 <Peerko> press b :)
Jan 29 10:00:57 <Neko_Baron> i'm just gald to not see ranas constantly anymore

Jan 29 15:04:00 <Cial> so im not the only one that thinks Black Steve* is pant-less
Jan 29 15:04:01 <Eztuzt> Hello
Jan 29 15:04:25 <Sean_TE> I want gears nao XD
Jan 29 15:04:28 <Eztuzt> Black Steve has now been coined. That is our new buddies name
Jan 29 15:04:31 <BurnBurn> Cial, yes he is pantless
Jan 29 15:04:43 <Jaswald> haha i didnt really notice
Jan 29 15:04:45 <Jaswald> lemme look
Jan 29 15:04:48 <Cial> lol

Jan 29 15:17:57 <Eztuzt> I just failed miserably trying to light White Steve on fire

Jan 29 20:36:17 <Keiya> ... Beast Boy just drowned

Jan 29 20:38:31 <Keiya> RealG: Eh? Oh, the greenskin guys? Um... that's not quite right >_>
Jan 29 20:38:31 <Snowman> anyone found out TNT yet?
Jan 29 20:38:32 <mail2345> what gets gunpowder?
Jan 29 20:38:44 <DragoonEnRegalia> I'm asking a question.
Jan 29 20:38:49 <DragoonEnRegalia> How do you make a string?
Jan 29 20:38:52 <Droqen> AndyFm, it deletes the bow, or something
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Jan 29 20:38:59 <Droqen> DragoonEnRegalia, kill the not black guy
Jan 29 20:39:05 <Keiya> RealG: I'm pretty sure the green guy's name is Garfield Mark Logan
Jan 29 20:39:10 <Dreanor_Arch> kill black guys for gunpowder, it's a sterotypical game
Jan 29 20:39:13 <DragoonEnRegalia> Lol
Jan 29 20:39:21 <Keiya> AKA, um. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Boy

Jan 29 20:54:16 <Eztuzt> Black people drop gunpowder.

Jan 29 21:24:38 <Cial> lmao the green guys really do look like Beast Boy lol

Jan 29 23:40:46 <Animator> Woah, new mobs to kill!
Jan 29 23:40:47 <DBN> eat soup, get health
Jan 29 23:40:52 <Keiya> (the loose stuff, not built
Jan 29 23:40:55 <SkilKills> WOAH
Jan 29 23:41:00 <Cial> Black Steve, Steve, and Beast Boy XD

https://ia803401.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/26/items/Minecraft-IRCLogs/Adura.7z Should be this file, check for more.  Nixinova   T   C   22:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like theyre community names that have just stuck since day one then.  Nixinova   T   C   22:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

" Purple (green guy) = Beast Boy. Blue = Steve Red = Black Steve

That was the official list that was decided.

" Please note r4c7's OFFICIAL LIST. Those were the names decided on IRC. That, and you people don't seem to understand that it is plainly obvious what Beast Boy looks like.

- https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/archive/alpha/alpha-survival-single-player/796582-names-for-the-new-mobs  Nixinova   T   C   11:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The Black Steve, Steve, and Beast Boy characters are derived from in-jokes within the IRC community, as can be seen here: [1]

They are far from official names, and though they have colloquial history, this is due to them being kept up on the wiki for so long. They were made up by members of the community, and are honestly quite uncomfortable - identifying characters as White Steve (this was the original name of Steve) and Black Steve is honestly very uncomfortable. You can also view in those chat logs a number of racist jokes from the community, so it's a bit disgusting to have something on the wiki have such a vile origin.

Assuming Dock and Notch do not comment on the names, we should change them to "Gray," "Brown," and "Green" respectively, in reference to their hair color. This, too, is a fan name, but it's at least not an uncomfortable one. I think we have a responsibility to correct this. We should leave the original names as trivia or history, but they shouldn't be treated as ways to refer to these characters - it's simply distasteful. - BD (talk) 23:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Very Strong Oppose , These names have been baked into the history of the game. People knew them by these names across the community from day 1. Even when time came to document them, we called them Steve, Black Steve and Beastboy. Though I vaguely recall us seeking out these official names, I forget where we did. But we certainly did not arbitrarily name these mobs.

If you feel strongly about possible racial histories, a colloqual tag or something could be justified. but retroactively renaming them seems a big overstep.

We are a wiki. We are here to document. We aren't here to bend the past to our desired reality. These characters have had no other names for the past 14 years. In my opinion, we would need author confirmation or a mass fan adoption of these names in order to justify rewriting them - which even if that occured, trivia of the old names would still be necessary.

We aren't the ones to decide what these mobs were named. We are only here to document what they are named, and how such naming came to be.

We do not have a right to change the past. Only to preserve it, in the hopes people may learn from it. That is our goal. Nothing more. --Kizzycocoa (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Partial Oppose I'd also partially oppose the naming of Steve as White Steve. While it could bring parity and would preserve 2/3 of their names, Steve themselves are still an established name in of itself. While the inception of fan nicknames might have had some references to White and Black Steve, these still pail in the fact of 14 years of collective colloquial usage that has been established over these 14 years for Steve, Black Steve and Beast Boy. I just don't think it trumps all that history of common parlance about this mob and it's variants.

As said, I think the sole thing that should trump the current names are either confirmation from Notch as to their official names, confirmation from Docky as to what Notch called them, or finding evidence of the developers naming them at some point. Failing that, we should continue to adopt the 14-year standard name they've had, which was not an issue until someone dug up ancient IRC logs that I can guarantee nearly no-one saw prior to it's discovery.

It may well be that we at the wiki are responsible for this perception in the first place. There might have been a time where people could have argued to change it. But it is now far, far too late. The horse has long since bolted. No matter the source, this is their name now, as understood by literally everyone who has ever heard of them in the past 14 years. The only thing that should justify the change is authoritative intervention from Notch, or someone close to him. -- Kizzycocoa (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Partial Support I agree with reducing the number of references to the names "Steve", "Black Steve" and "Beast Boy" because they are not official names. However I disagree with inventing new, equally unofficial names. Each variant should be primarily referred to either by its texture name (mcexport, mcexport2 or mcexport3) or by its coloration, without assigning a particular name to any of them. The trivia section should contain an explanation of the fact that these variants have typically been referred to by these unofficial names, and an explanation of where those names originally came from, to avoid the possibility of confusion or pushback from people who only know these mobs by their typically used names. Other pages when referring to these mob variants should treat them as variants of the same mob with different coloration and drops (because that's what they are), rather than as totally separate and unique mobs with specific names.

I also think it's important to keep in mind that we've now discovered that the names of "White Steve" and "Black Steve" significantly predate the earliest known instance of Notch referring to the player character as Steve, and that the name Steve in reference to human characters of Minecraft appears to not actually originate from Notch at all, but is in fact a community-generated colloquialism that either was responsible for Notch's later decision to officially name the player character Steve, or else is an extremely big and very unlikely coincidence. Either way, it's a big deal. AlienAgent124 (talk) 05:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Same But I Want To Keep Some Refrences 87.75.121.199 12:59, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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 Strong Oppose I don't see a point of changing their names. Yes, it may sound racist, but it doesn't matter. There are no official names, therefore community came with the current names. Renaming won't solve anything but add confusion. TreeIsLife (talk) 12:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The texture names are the closest we have to official names.Drour1234 (talk) 19:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Partial Support I was thinking that calling a character "black steve" didn't sound like the best of choices, although I'm not sure I like the idea of calling them by colors in the way you suggested either👁 Image
BrandonEpicGamer (TALK) 01:59, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

The notice on this page says that it would benefit from images of beast boy which is true but the page would also benefit from images of black Steve. Wii U fan 739 (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

oh the good old days... 74.82.228.69 22:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay? 87.75.121.199 13:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Shouldn’t Monster Be Mentioned? 87.75.121.199 13:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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