Forum:Bureaucrat Nomination

Four months ago, near the beginning of my editorship, I was given another user page to explore. This was because a well-known user named Harristic had replied to a comment I made in a talk page. Then, I found a topic on the community portal, a proposal that had unanimous support: Harri's admin nomination. I read through it, finding out all about this wonderful user who ended up getting promoted to administrator, a role which he had apparently long been deserving of. Over the course of the following days of nearly constant editing, I slowly gained knowledge of another admin who I had heard of before: MarkusRost. He is a member of the board, a global interface maintainer, and a CATS member as well as being an admin. Over the following few months, I learned a lot about the Wiki and user rights. I found out about the right called Bureaucrat. And today, here, and now, I nominate Harristic and MarkusRost for the bureaucrat user right, which I think will allow them to serve the Wiki in an even better way. I trust both of these users, and I think they are a great fit for the job. Both are very kind editors (especially Harri), and both are very experienced editors (especially Markus). Markus has been an admin for over a year now, and Harri has been here for over six months. The adminships of these two have led to a far better Wiki. I really think promoting them will make an even more significant positive impact on the Wiki, so here I am, promoting both of these great admins for Bureaucrat. I really hope they get promoted, whether because of this proposal or a future one. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  18:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong Support | Since I have actually started editing Minecraft Wiki back in April 2024, I have seen a huge footprint left by MarkusRost and Harristic on the Wiki. They are active on discord and are making constant constructive edits everyday. I can see no other reason why they shouldn't be promoted. Their contribution to the Wiki is a proof that they deserve the promotion.

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(talk) 18:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Support for @MarkusRost to become a bureaucrat in the Minecraft Wiki. He has been very helpful and constructive to the the wiki and the person who deserves it the most right now is him. 👁 Image
 Neutral but Doubtful for @Harristic as it has been around 7 months of him being an administration, which doesn't mean that he doesn't have the potential to become a bureaucrat but he hasn't been in the administrator right for a decent period of time compared to current bureaucrats like Magic or administrator like MarkusRost. I think we should give Harristic more exposure to the administrator right and then have a consensus later on promoting him as a bureaucrat. - 👁 Image
StizzurpXDD^(talk) 18:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

More exposure to the admin role... While I agree that admins should get enough experience, Harri has been a very active admin since his promotion, and he has essentially been doing the work of two separate and at the same time. I'm really not sure what difference it'd make, though. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  19:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Using administrator tools is no big deal. Any editor who has some experience can use these tools very well and even constructively to help the community. But the time, the experience is what matters. As I mentioned earlier that Magic and MarkusRost both have been administrators for a decent time period while being just as constructive and helpful as Harristic, if not less. - 👁 Image
StizzurpXDD^(talk) 19:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I do see what you mean, and I accept your point. (You do know that Magic is already a Bureaucrat, right?) -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  19:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I was referring to the time when he was not a bureaucrat and was being nominated. - 👁 Image
StizzurpXDD^(talk) 19:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh I see :) -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  19:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination, I would be happy to receive the rights if the proposal goes through (users getting promoted should really state that they're happy with it happening). I've felt Markus should be bureaucrat for some time now since activity of bureaucrats has felt a bit low, promotions like Dian's bot getting the bot role take some time to go through. I want to make sure that everyone is well aware that being a bureaucrat doesn't amount to much more than granting users rights (patroller, admin, bot, etc.) though, since none of the messages here have mentioned that. That fact doesn't really change any points made here, but I think it should be said. - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
19:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

You do make a good point. It's not actually that major of a promotion, but, not to say that you're inexperienced, admins should have sufficient experience to become bureaucrats. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  19:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Very strong support as proposer -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  19:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Ideally there should be at least two active bureaucrats so they could back each other up without having to involve someone up the food chain (such as Weird Gloop, or historically Curse staff). On the other hand, user group assignment is not something done commonly so having many bureaucrats isn't really necessary, though it might be helpful in case of an inter-admin conflict (which I hope there would be none of). EnMCW has four bureaucrats in total, and two of them (Anachronist and Magic) appear to be active recently at a first glance, though I'm not sure if their engagement is that high.

Out of the two proposed candidates, MarkusRost used to be our Wiki Manager during the late Gamepedia days, and thus is familiar with the ability to change user roles (on all of MCW, mind you), so he's the obvious favorite here. Harristic has come to the wiki much later and has only been appointed an administrator relatively recently.

I don't think we need to appoint two bureaucrats in one go; that's just overkill in the current circumstances. If we do appoint one, that must be MarkusRost. BabylonAS 20:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean, that's true and all, but, while Markus is an excellent candidate (how has the not gotten promoted yet...), but I still think Harri is an awesome candidate too. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  20:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm active on this wiki every day. Just not much on Discord. I am a bureaucrat here, but honestly I am not sure what that entails here. On Wikipedia (where I have been an administrator since 2011), being a bureaucrat does nothing but let you grant the administrator or bureaucrat right to others. Because that isn't a frequent occurrence, there isn't really a need for many bureaucrats around.

Honestly, I thought Markus already had that bit enabled, seeing how he seems to be doing all other jobs around here. I'm happy to promote either Markus or Harristic or both. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination, I would be happy to be a bureaucrat on the wiki should the proposal go through. -- 👁 Image
MarkusRost (talk) 22:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

That's really great. In fact, I'd be nominating you for Bureaucrat on the German wiki too if I could. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  14:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong Support - I believe that both Harristic and MarkusRost deserve to be promoted to Bureaucrat.Drour1234 (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Neutral – I don't believe the wiki needs more bureaucrats but adding more does no harm. GIM Dianliang233 T C 00:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Support allowing MarkusRost to appoint user roles across all wikis (see the beginning of Babylon's comment for context). 👁 Image
 Soft support nominating Harristic on this wiki for bureaucrat (Soft support since I am neutral). Delvin4519 (talk) 02:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I didn’t mean appointing MarkusRost on all MCW sections — only on the English wiki. Whether MCW should have its own “global bureaucrats”, separate from Weird Gloop, is a completely different question to discuss. — BabylonAS 18:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

So, basically, the discussion has been about the following points:

• Harri and Markus are both experienced users who could become bureaucrats. They have put hard work into the wiki.
• Harri only has been an admin for seven months; is he really ready for the Bureaucrat right yet? He's still quite the admin, though.
• Bureaucrats only change user rights occasionally. Is a lot of experience really required?
• We don't really need too many bureaucrats, but between the candidates, Markus is the obvious choice.
• Both users still deserve this right.
• Adding more bureaucrats does no harm, but we don't actually need more.
• Markus is experienced enough to appoint user rights across all Wikis! He did use to be the Wiki manager.

So far, is really just "both users deserve to be promoted for their hard work, but Harri only has been an admin for so long. Do we even need more bureaucrats? But Markus is an obvious choice for one." We've had support for both, but stronger support has been given for Markus. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  15:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Bureaucrats should have good judgment of whether someone is fit to be assigned a role. Of course the community is the ultimate authority (especially for admin and 'crat roles) but it is the bureaucrats who do the actual assignment. Remember however that there are also bot and patroller roles, which (especially the patroller one) are not as “dangerous” and can be approved by the administration alone. BabylonAS 10:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Support: These are two very important users for this wiki and I wholeheartedly support their being promoted. More bureaucrats can only be a positive.  Nixinova   T   C   08:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Support for both MarkusRost and Harristic to be promoted to the rights of bureaucrat. Their activeness and dedication to this wiki can help the wiki grow. - 👁 Image
StizzurpXDD^(talk) 18:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Support both users becoming bureaucrats – FireX • talk @ 22:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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Wilf233_zhMCW（论·功） 13:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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 Support Markus gaining the bureaucrat role, especially considering how he's been administratively involved with MCW for so long and was formerly its wiki manager on Gamepedia. I'm neutral on Harristic per Babylon and Dianliang since I'm unsure whether we really need that many active bureaucrats, although I do think it's ideal for a bureaucrat to be actively involved in the community due to the nature of its additional permission, which is the case with Harristic. –⁠Sonicwave ^talk 22:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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 opposing my own promotion to bureaucrat. I don't agree with any comments about me being unfit for the role because it is a role for appointing rights based on community consensus, not based on the bureaucrat's personal opinion. It also isn't the most powerful or influential role like it can be on other wikis, that title goes to the global groups/board member/Weird Gloop staff. I do however think it's completely unnecessary for me to become one because, while it has essentially no negative, it has essentially no positive either. I was happy with becoming bureaucrat because I had no reason to oppose, but this discussion getting delayed quite a lot and it not being necessary for me to become one is now enough of a reason for me to oppose. I also simply don't care to become bureaucrat much. Thank you for nominating me anyway. - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
22:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Glad to nominate a good admin ;) However, I don't expect you'll never be nominated again. (I mean, in a year or two...) But this discussion is quite easy now. Quite simply, this is a really helpful comment to the discussion, not that you're not a good candidate :) -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  22:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

With Harri opposing his own proposal, this discussion is a lot easier with MarkusRost being the only candidate. So far, we have one very strong support, two strong support, seven support, one soft support, two neutral, and no opposition at all. Plus, there is also Markus's own reply saying he'd be happy to get the role. That totals in thirteen replies not including Markus's. Subtract the two neutral, that makes eleven total support. Harri also has some support, but also opposition as candidate, which is essentially the ultimate opposition. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  23:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)