Talk:Tree

There's now an inconsistency in the page titles – oak vs jungle tree. I think all should be moved to "X tree". Nixinova   T   C 20:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nixinova: There is no inconsistency. The common English usage when referring to any non-fruiting tree is simply to call it by its name without adding the redundant "tree" to it: "That's an oak, that's a pine, over there is an elm, and this is a birch" and so on.

Fruiting trees would have the word "tree" appended, as in apple tree, peach tree, almond tree, etc. While Minecraft has fruiting trees, they are not named for their fruit, so this doesn't apply.

One also adds "tree" if referring to the tree by its environment; for example, "that's a desert tree, this is a northern-latitude tree, and over there is a jungle tree."

The only tree in the game named after its environment is the jungle tree, so that's the name it should have. As for the rest, I didn't create those titles, they all already redirected to Tree. I don't see any inconsistency. Amatulic (talk) 21:59, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomenclature in real life and extremely specific use cases isn't relevant to MCW; pages should have the most obvious titles unless it's literally caller that in-game, especially when there's one inconsistent page title among these six. And a page titled "birch" sounds like it should be a disambig about all birch related blocks and items.  Nixinova   T   C   02:39, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

As I stated before, all those pages already redirected to Tree, not any disambiguation. I simply re-used the titles that were consistent with tree names as commonly used in English. It's Minecraft that is inconsistent by having one tree in its collection named after its environment. Amatulic (talk) 18:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that Minecraft is inconsistent, but this is the MC wiki and we don't need to follow IRL naming criteria, especially when those names can be very easily confused for other features in-game.  Nixinova   T   C   18:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

@Amatulic:, what about the upcoming palm tree? I'm pretty sure no one calls it a "palm", just a palm tree, further inconsistency.Humiebee (talk) 23:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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 Support moving all Tree articles to (Tree name) tree. The Great Spring (talk | contribs) 23:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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 Support per my argument on Talk:Dark oakHumiebee^{talk contribs} 18:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

...that huge fungi are not trees.--DeliBirdA (talk) 11:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

ikr 32.221.44.46 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Please avoid replying to topics over a year old. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

How about the largest vanilla tree in Minecraft? 49.228.136.160 09:21, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Probably the jungle giant, on average. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 12:35, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Marked Need render on Acacia tree section. But are there other forms of acacia trees ? I don't know that there are other patterns as random as chorus trees. --Pneuma01 (talk) 17:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

How many total trees in Minecraft, and how many of each type? 99.225.26.102 21:56, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

When a sapling grows, you have more chances of having a bee hive with the grown tree if you have flowers around the sapling in a 5x3x5 radius Hugman 76 (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

That makes no sense. What is a "5x3x5 radius"? If you're referring to a volume, that's also false according to the limited testing I've done. Amatulic (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there any evidence to substantiate the existence of cold-en oaks? I've not heard of any seed that is known to contain one, much less any discussion of them on sites outside of this wiki that isn't about their inclusion here in the first place. --Templero316 (talk) 03:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Cannot confirm nor deny, but the original edit that introduced this information was done by TreeIsLife in this revision. – ZacNVR (talk) 04:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Some more info: This forum post features the screenshots used on the wiki and is dated 1 August 2020 which predates the wiki edit. – ZacNVR (talk) 04:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

On closer inspection, the wiki files are much older than that post, with File:ColdenOak.jpg dating to December 2013. – ZacNVR (talk) 04:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

That was not the edit that introduced the information. I remember seeing it on the page before 2020, and upon searching, I have been able to find several earlier revisions that mention cold-en oak trees. The earliest of which is this one that was done by User-12316399 and also predates the forum post you shared. --Templero316 (talk) 05:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I've just moved this info from removed features page to a section on tree page.--TreeIsLife (talk) 09:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I am proposing the following moves:

Source	Target
Oak	Oak tree
Spruce	Spruce tree
Birch	Birch tree
Acacia	Acacia tree
Dark oak	Dark oak tree
Mangrove	Mangrove tree
Cherry	Cherry tree

I have many reasons for proposing these:

1. I have never heard someone describe a tree structure by its shorter name, even though that is the in-game ID of the object.
2. I believe the shorter names are ambiguous with all of their related features. For example, "Oak" is ambiguous with "Oak Planks", "Oak Sapling", "Oak Tree", and "Forest" (or "Oak Forest").
3. Trees are usually referred to by their species name when the conversation is already discussing forests or parts of the forest, but words such as "oak" can still be ambiguous. For example, sometimes the speaker is talking about the oak wood material and how they are going to use it to make a piece of furniture, rather than using the word "oak" to refer to the species of tree. Therefore, it is common in real life to refer to species of tree by appending the word "tree" after the species name.
4. Other pages on this wiki append the word "tree". For example, the Forest page says this:
   • The forest is a grassland biome densely wooded with oak and birch trees.

--Simanelix ^(T|C) 19:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Support Olivia (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Clarification: the reason I have capitalized "Oak" in "Dark Oak" and "Tree" in all of the names is that I think the trees should follow the same style of capitlization as their related features. For example, "Dark Oak Planks" has all 3 words capitlized. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 19:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Oppose capitalization. If the move is done, it should be to e.g. Oak tree to follow the standard set by other configured features, such as Diamond ore, Basalt columns, Desert well, etc. (see Feature). Although MCW:TITLE isn't exactly clear about this, my interpretation is that capitalization should only be done when this is done in-game as well, but configured features generally don't have names in-game. -- jacobsjo (talk) 21:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Agree: it is still a bit unclear whether "Dark oak tree" should be "Dark Oak tree", but I guess the former is okay. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 22:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong oppose adding "Tree" to the name. That is not how the trees are properly referred to in English and in-game. It isn't an "oak tree", it's an "oak", because there isn't any other kind of oak organism. Referring to an "oak" is understood to refer to the tree, and variations like logs and saplings have a word appended. "Oak" and "Spruce" are not adjectives, they are nouns unless we are disambiguating them. For the same reason, we don't say "daisy flower" or "cow animal" or "creeper monster". The examples that append the word "tree" do so redundantly and can be corrected. "The forest is a grassland biome densly wooded with oak and birch" is just as understandable and grammatically more correct. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong oppose - As per Anachronist.Drour1234 (talk) 21:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Support in principle. Sure prescriptive english usage blah blah but, in a wiki sense incoming links are too ambiguous. In-game terms like oak and spruce are effectively adjectives; they are broad categories of a whole variety of blocks. Add in the inconsistency with Jungle tree etc and the titles just seem a mess.
However, everyone is overlooking the only reason that matters here for a wiki page titling discussion: The current titles do follow the in-game ID, so per MCW:TITLE the pages are correct as they stand.  Nixinova   T   C   04:14, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Soft support. — 3A |  T  C  04:12, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Comment: I would like to give a better solution, because all the tree pages (except jungle tree which uses tree to differentiate it from the biome, and azalea tree because there is a block called azalea) do correspond to their real-life names, and the current titles should be matching the internal ID of the feature.

My proposal would be having pages like Oak (material) as the disambiguation page instead. I think this would help to clear up the confusion, at least partially. -- Supeika (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Nixinova   T   C   05:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Support on this solution. — 3A |  T  C  05:30, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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StizzurpXDD^(talk) 05:15, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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 Extremely strong oppose per Anachronist --WHYDELETEMYACCS 2025 (talk) 13:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Shouldn’t this mention that moss is converted like grass blocks to dirt? And if it’s spruce, shouldn’t this mention the conversion to podzol? It also seems moss is converted to podzol in this case on Java but not sure that happens on bedrock (or maybe that’s a bug) Gujamin (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, if you think it should say that, go ahead and edit it! -~- Nerdyguy2000   talk   edits 17:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Why? This article is about trees, not moss blocks, and trees cannot grow on moss blocks. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Saplings can be planted and grow on moss blocks, both in Java and in Bedrock; the moss block the sapling was planted on turns into dirt when the sapling grows, both in Java and in Bedrock. Large spruces convert surrounding moss into podzol when growing in Java, but not in Bedrock.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 00:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, right, I wonder what I was thinking. Even so, this fact seems more appropriate for the moss block, sapling, and spruce articles, not this general article about trees. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I think you were thinking of another block... Or just never bothered to test it :) -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  23:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

All saplings convert the grass/mycelium/moss they are planted on to dirt instantly when growing (it's not the regular grass decay), so I think it should be mentioned here. I agree tall spruces converting blocks to podzol when growing is something that should be mentioned in the spruce article instead.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 23:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

This article isn't about saplings. We have a separate sapling article for that. I have no objection to adding the factoid to this article but I think it's unnecessary and out of scope. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

"This article is about Overworld trees. For the End tree-like structures, see Chorus plant. For the plant that grows into a tree, see Sapling. For the Nether tree-like structures, see Huge fungi." This is the disclaimer at the top of this page, despite the fact that the article goes into depth on chorus plants and huge fungi. I don't think that anything except for trees should be covered on this page. Chorus plants, huge fungi, and huge mushrooms are not trees- they may have some similarities, but that isn't reason enough. The redirects should be enough. Not to mention that the sentence "This article is about Overworld trees" is at best misleading. FutureThrone795 (talk) 09:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. — 3A 👁 BlockSprite lime-concrete.png: Sprite image for lime-concrete in Minecraft
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I think it would really help, so you can see wood and leaf yield Maxxxx Dirt Eater Alt (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Thanks! I totally forgot! 🤦‍♂️ Maxxxx Dirt Eater Alt (talk) 12:58, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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