Talk:Swamp

The reason for deletion is specified within the deletion request tag, but none of the other biomes (including upcoming ones) have or need their own pages; all of them are listed on the biomes page. - Shadowx4ffc 21:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Swamps aren't even a new biome. Notch just added vines to the trees to make them look more swamp-like. --Warlock 21:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

…They are a new biome, [1], even if there already is a biome named "Swamp" Shellface 22:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Nowhere on that link does Notch say it's a new biome. "Create" is a generic word - maybe he was referring to creating the update to it, or the map/location that screenshot was taken from. Who knows. Whatever the case, the thing exists already. Unless there are going to be two swamp biomes (and you know there won't be), it's not new. --Warlock 22:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

When were dead bushes added to swamps? Needed for history.73.208.227.101 14:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

On the page about Slimes it says that they spawn on Y 50-70, and on this page it says that slimes spawn on Y 60-80, how can one determine correct Y value? --Baplusaplusa 10:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking through the code, the correct range is 50-70 (exclusive) in Java; I corrected this on this article. –Sonicwave ^talk 06:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Someone has proposed splitting this article into two articles, one for swamp and one for mangrove swamp. Amatulic (talk) 23:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Oppose - I see no reason for this change at this time. It's a swamp variant. The differences can be documented as they come to light, and if it becomes clear that two articles are needed, we can split them. It isn't clear to me now that this is necessary. Amatulic (talk) 23:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Support - I am bringing up the arguments put forth forth on the Discord server:

• The biomes are radically different: different mobs, blocks, no properties inherited from Swamps.
• Less different biomes have different pages (Birch Forest)
• For the sake of clearness: new players won't understand why it's the same page

--MetalManiacMc at your service fellow human! (talk) 05:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Support: The consistency of Mangrove Swamp and regular Swamp is less than Swamp and Swamp Hills (which has been removed), so I would argue that it is better to split like Taiga and Snowy Taiga. --Ultim_0 ( USER | TALK | CONT ) 08:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Oppose: it is not even a full update yet. Many things about the sub-biome could change before the update is released. I vote for leaving it as it right now. Also, it does not have exclusive mobs since frogs spawn in both swamps. The birch forest is not a sub-biome as the Mangrove Swamp is, hence why it has it’s own page. I think that you are underestimating new players. The Mangrove swamp is a sub-biome, not a full biome and it is not even confirmed to be in its final implementation. We should not have a debate like this until the pre release at least. --Drour1234 (talk), 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I have checked in the Bedrock Edition files, and it is a unique biome in that edition, not a swamp variant (it does not have the swamp property, unlike frozen oceans that have the ocean property --MetalManiacMc at your service fellow human! (talk) 14:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

We do not know if that is an oversight or not since it was confirmed in Minecraft Live and all mentions of it to be a sub-biome. We should wait until pre-releases. --Drour1234 (talk), 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Comment Is a vote needed for this? If the biome is considered its own unique biome, it should have its own page, if it's a variant of the swamp, it should be included in the swamp page, fairly simple. Pescavelho (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

The problem in in Java it's a sub-biome and in Bedrock it's completely different. + some variants like old growth taigas & birch forests have seperate pages. --MetalManiacMc at your service fellow human! (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Wait until 1.19 releases until a split can occur, see Talk:Mountains#Extreme Hills. Discussion can still occur but don't split the page until 1.19 releases. Humiebee^{talk contribs} 18:41, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Oppose per Amatulic. BDJP ^(t|c) 00:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

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 Support Now that the update has happened, it's clear they're two different biomes, not only generation-wise but also internally (at least in Bedrock Edition). As far as I'm aware, their difference is about the same as the one between a taiga and a snowy taiga, which have different pages, that being that the game generates either one biome or the other depending on the local temperature value, and if they are in different temprature categories (though I don't think they are), then they should deffinitely be split based on that precedent. Per my previous comment, I do think it'd be better if we classified all biomes as separate or variants based on how they're internally regarded by the game, it'd avoid these discussions and be more objective. Pescavelho (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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 Very very extremely strongest support. I'm going to bring this up again now that the wiki has forked and project DIG is happening. I very very strongly believe this page should be split for multiple reasons:

1. Few similarities: Swamps and mangrove swamps are very different in many ways. Though they share some characteristics, such as lilypads, clay disks, frogs, and slimes generating within them, that is about as far as the similarities go. The landscapes of each of these biomes are vastly different. The tree block types, shapes, and heights are different, some of the mobs spawned are different, and even the block the ground is made out of is different. If this page is split, it would not lead to much duplicate information at all. In fact, multiple sentances in the "Description" part of the article for both types are only relevant to normal swamps, not mangrove ones.
2. SEO: Now that the wiki has forked from Fandom, we want to get the new wiki to appear first in search results. This works very well with pages that flat out do not exist on the Fandom wiki. Mangrove swamps are a fairly recent addition to the game, and many people will still be searching it up. We are currently FIFTY EIGHTH in the Google search results for "minecraft mangrove swamp". YES I COUNTED. NOBODY WOULD EVER FIND THIS PAGE unless they specifically searched for it on this wiki. The fandom article for mangrove swamps doesn't even show up until about the 30th result!!! Just the article for the mangrove tree shows up (fandom's first, ours tenth). This also partially links to reader experience (my third point), but when searching up "minecraft mangrove swamp", about a million random reddit threads come up before the wiki article. At this point, not splitting this article would basically mean having mangrove swamp not show this article at all on Google.
3. Reader experience: Even if a reader somehow miraculously stumbles upon the mangrove swamp section of this article, it is very hard to read. Tables and infoboxes fill up the left and right of the screen, and finding the information you want is very difficult as it is split between the variant subsections and the description paragraph.

All in all, there so many positives and basically no negatives to splitting this article. PLEASE, please, please, let us split the article.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

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plighting_engineerd (talk) 03:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong support. Yes. The only opposes were before the full release. — Misode (talk) 04:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong support - I am honestly confused why this was merged in the first place. Why is it considered a swamp variant just for having swamp in the name? It's almost nothing like swamps, and is different in every way. It's also failing in the search results for mangrove swamps, so I see no reason to keep it unsplit. If this is enough to be considered a swamp variant, then cherry groves should be under the meadow page. BD (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong support - I was going to go to sleep since it was getting quite late, but I saw this in the discord chatroom before going to bed. This split needs to happen right now, so I'm coming back online to say this needs a green light go ahead. The split more than needs to happen. These are 2 different biomes. Swamp and Swamp hills are all over 10 years old, and Mangrove swamp is a new biome barely a year or so old and has very different trees, generation, etc., compared to normal swamps. Different tree species, different blocks, different foliage colors, etc. These biomes are very different, think of it as taiga to mega taiga, taiga to cold taiga, forest to birch forest. That's how different mangrove swamp is to swamp. The three taiga biome families all have distanct articles. We don't merge birch forest with forest. Mangrove swamp is a unique biome and more than deserves its unique article. It's overdue. The SEO for mangrove swamps is plain awful and the wiki has forked from fandom. The wiki has been independent from fandom for 3.5 months and the SEO still is horrid to this day. This split is a no-brainer. Delvin4519 (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Comment - Great, thanks for all the support! I'll start drafting the split in my userpage for now! 👁 Image
plighting_engineerd(talk) 13:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong support - I think there should be one page for every current existing biome in Overworld. So I support this split + I suggest splitting Ocean (9 biomes merged into one article), Mountains (7 biomes, but two of those already have their own pages), Windswept Hills (3 biomes), Forest (2), Old Growth Taiga (2), Birch Forest (2), Jungle (3), River (2), Beach (3), Plains (2), Snowy Plains (2), Savanna (3) and Badlands (3). We've recently split all slabs, stairs and walls, and these have much less content than an entire biome... --Melwin22 (talk) 13:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong support - This is the most obvious split imaginable, and also showcases why merging pages just because they are variants of one another isn't always great. - Harristic / Talk 👁 Image
13:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Strong support, completely different biomes that only happen to have "Swamp" in both names. Forest and birch forest are much more similar, yet they have separate pages... Overall I'd support splitting most biomes, but that's a topic for another discussion.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 13:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and split the page into User:Plighting Engineerd/Swamp and User:Plighting Engineerd/Mangrove_Swamp, which are both pretty much done. Should that last bit of info (that is already on the current swamp page, may I mention) be verified before going ahead with moving those to the main space? 👁 Image
plighting_engineerd (talk) 03:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

A lot of sentences on the mangrove swamp page still mention just "swamp", for example "Slimes may spawn in swamps at nighttime". This should be changed to say "mangrove swamp" in almost all cases. Also what bit of info are you refering to? — Misode (talk) 04:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Good point, I have fixed that issue. The info I was referring to was the 3rd paragraph in the description (the one with the [verify] thingy) where I am unsure whether this also applies to the Mangrove swamp or if it just applies to the swamp. 👁 Image
plighting_engineerd (talk) 13:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

On the page about slimes it says the light level has to be 7 or lower, while on this page it says "Slimes may spawn in swamps at low light levels". Given that hostile mobs' spawn light level has recently been changed from 7 to 0 I can't tell which page is more accurate.

Sacrebleu1 (talk) 15:24, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

The light level, as I understand, changed to 0 for hostile mobs other than slimes. Hostile mobs used to spawn at low light levels and now require zero. Slimes used to spawn at any light level, and now apparently require something lower. In Bedrock Edition at least, my slime farm stopped working recently, and it was pretty brightly lit. I haven't gotten around to reducing the light level in it to see if it can start working again. Amatulic (talk) 02:47, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Do only the Wild Update tracks play in Swamps now, or do other Overworld tracks still apply as well? With the new music updates to biomes like Desert, for example, I'm uncertain whether all of the pre-1.16 Overworld tracks still play in every biome. Aepokk Vulpex (talk) 17:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I just found an edit by a user named MinecraftFanIGuess saying that swamp was called swampland before version 1.13. Does anyone have any evidence that supports this claim? 98.235.155.81 12:41, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Never mind as I just found out. 98.235.155.81 12:47, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm doing a personal project that consists of trying to build a village in a swamp that fits the theme, instead of being a retexture of another village. However, since this has never been in the game, I have decided to use villages of neighboring biomes as a starting point, so that I can match the vanilla style as best I can. Now, I need to know which of the biome blueprints to pull from, however multiple of the biomes that the swamp borders can spawn villages, and I cannot find a clear answer on the chances involved so I can pick one to use. If anyone can assist me in this, it would be greatly appreciated. 166.181.253.220 01:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

From all biomes that can generate villages, Plains and Sunflower Plains have the highest chance of bordering a swamp (example). Taigas can also border swamps, albeit it's a bit rarer. All other biomes with villages can't border swamps, because swamps don't generate in snowy biomes or warm/dry biomes. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk) (contribs) 👁 Image
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thank you! I'll base my concept off the plains village then, 166.181.249.254 16:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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