Talk:Flower

So remember back in around 1.6, Mojang presumably "removed" roses and replaced them with poppies? Then why is there an entire bush full of them? – Unsigned comment added by 75.108.155.75 (talk) at 13:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

The only thing they have in common is the name --MetalManiacMc at your service fellow human! (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 

While they did add rose bushes, that was a while after renaming roses to poppies; perhaps it was as a tribute to original roses but they're different blocks (and in the objective eyes of the wiki, they're very much different) - Happy to help, ask me about the game code or datapacks. [[User:Lolad1089|Lolad1089]] (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Wither roses are different from every other flower. You get them in a completely different way and their unique properties (the wither effect) means that players use them in a totally different way too. I noticed that moss carpets have their own article separate from wool carpets, so given how distinct they are I think wither roses should be given their own article too. It would help simplify the flower article a bit too. Wither rose-specific information about spawning and damage and such can be regulated to its own article, shortening the flower article. Batbrain1998 (talk) 23:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Something has always bothered me about trying to parse out information on wither roses from this article. While I currently don't have time to make a formal proposal, I do broadly agree with splitting wither roses and other flowers that have significantly different behavior and/or obtaining methods. –Sonicwave ^talk 05:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

While there is valid reason for wither roses to have their own page, and I don't have much reason against it, it is still technically a flower. There are things about moving wither roses and not moving them that I am not sure about, so I personally would be indifferent to this change. ThatOneWolf (talk) 19:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The sentences of the gallery of the flowers are broken. ZaLink700 20:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Just fixed it Etleyden (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

The wiki states "No other biome has a gradient;" - in anecdotal testing on a flat world with a meadow biome, there is very clearly areas that produce only one type of flower. Where is the assertion being pulled from? How were the example gradients generated and can one be produced for the meadow biome? – Unsigned comment added by CasualZombie (talk • contribs) at 16:48, 17 August 2022 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

I think that was probably written before the meadow biome was a thing. Meadows seem to have a flower feature in the code, with a noise pattern controlling how they grow. I am not sure how those images were generated. It would have to be either a) lots of bonemealing or b) a mod to ensure bonemeal always triggers the flower path. - AD OffKilter (talk) 00:56, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

From looking at the decompiled (java 1.20.2) source code, it's quite clear how the gradients work, and the current, commented out, gradient section describes it quite well. It should be uncommented.

There are five different flower generation modes depending on biome:

• The default consists of poppy and dandelion in random pattern (no gradient)
• Swamps have blue orchid only
• Flower forests have a gradient of dandelion, poppy, allium, azure bluet, red tulip, orange tulip, white tulip, pink tulip, oxeye daisy, cornflower, lily of the valley
• Plains have a gradient of dandelion, orange tulip, red tulip, pink tulip, white tulip, poppy, azure bluet, oxeye daisy, cornflower. (This is a different order than flower forests)
• Meadow has tall grass, allium, poppy, azure bluet, dandelion, cornflower, oxeye daisy, grass. While the first and last aren't flowers, they're treated like flowers in the gradient.

Forests can also generate patches of flowers that consist (randomly) of lilac, rose bush, peony, and lily of the valley. While the first three are double sized plants that will never grow from bonemealing a grass block, the latter may leave the impression that the block lies at the end of the gradient so lilies can be regrown there, but these patches generate randomly independent of the gradient.

The noise generators that create the gradient are initialized with different parameters. Flower forests favor central values, which is why you get lots of tulips there but few dandelions and lilies, while plains favor outliers, so you get relatively few tulips there. --Giselbaer (talk) 17:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

If one searches for torchflower, it redirects to this Flower page, even though there is a specific page for Torchflowers. But I don't know how to remove the redirect. Please fix this. SirDaddicus (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems like it is fixed, I just searched for it and it took me to the torchflower's page. ThatOneWolf (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

After testing in Creative mode, I have determined that the type of flower that is created when using bonemeal on grass is dependant on the Y coordinate, and have screenshots to prove this. The current text of this page states that only the X/Z coordinates matter. How should I go about changing this? Would simply editing the page directly with these screenshots as proof be good enough?

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EmperorNiro0 (talk) 18:30, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

This page has become far too large and detailed to be of any use to most readers looking for information on a certain flower. Many flowers have unique properties exclusive to them (dandelions breed rabbits, sunflowers face the sun, wither roses damage you, etc.). The new torchflower and pitcher plant also have very different obtaining methods compared to all other flowers. Tall flowers and small flowers also function differently from one another. This all results in one large page trying to describe many different things at once, when readers are really only going to be interested in the one flower that they searched for.

My proposal is simply to split the entire page, giving every flower its own page.

The one thing I am unsure of is what to do with this original flower page after the split. It is already quite strange as it only describes blocks that are in either the small_flower and tall_flower tags, not simply the flower tag. I'd like to hear suggestions about this. - Harristic | Talk 👁 DungeonsEntitySprite penguin-onesie.png: Sprite image for penguin-onesie in Minecraft
10:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

In spite of all listed differences, I fear flowers have a bit too many common properties. Most can be used for dye production (though the exact dye color varies) and crafting sus stew, all are usable by bees and in composters, one-block-tall ones can be planted inside flower pots. Could we rewrite the article to be more concise instead? — BabylonAS 10:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

They do have common properties, this does not instantly validate them being cramped into one page considering all their differences. The issue with the page is the simple fact that it covers too much, I'm sure it could be rewritten somewhat, but at that point you'd have to be leaving out information in order to meaningfully shorten it. - Harristic | Talk 👁 DungeonsEntitySprite penguin-onesie.png: Sprite image for penguin-onesie in Minecraft
11:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support I was recently exploring the idea of splitting this page myself, just going through and seeing roughly how much information is specific to certain flowers. The first sentence of "Natural generation" section starts with "Most" and gives no further explanation for what flowers are and aren't covered in that qualification. As for what to do with the existing page, I believe whats most useful to readers is prominently linking to the individual pages and also containing a high level overview of flowers in general (things such as bees use flowers to pollinate). But that is my opinion, and in reality we don't need to change anything about the existing page to create more specific pages, possibly the best course of action is to create the individual flower pages, and then see what specific information can be taken out of Flower, due to it being covered better on the new pages. Mudscape (talk) 13:17, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support Strongly support, the flowers are to different from each other, most having some sort of unique property or ways of obtaning. The flower page right now can be mostly left alone (if not slightly dumbed down) and just create new pages for each flower. We already have the wither rose page split so it makes sense to do it for the others. Daniel Cunningham (talk) 15:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support I find on this page it is hard to find what you're looking for. There's also a bunch of things that are only relevant to a single flower, like sunflowers being used for navigation, and dandelions being used to breed rabbits. This page should only provide a brief overview over all flowers and what the differences are between them, but each flower should still have its own article about the specifics. IMO this article should only include all things covered here, plus pink petals - for all other blocks in the flowers tag we have the Flowers (disambiguation) page, as I wouldn't expect people to describe those as flowers gameplay-wise. | violine1101 ^(talk) 20:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support, would be much better. Massive pages like this are not user friendly at all.  Nixinova   T   C   22:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support – I always find it a pain coming here looking for information about wither roses. I'm not sure whether we should still describe the common attributes (such as bee behavior and composting) on all of the separated pages, or just link to this page. There probably aren't that many commonalities for it to be a major duplication issue but there's still a lot of separate pages to put them on. –Sonicwave ^talk 03:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support, the page is pretty unusable if a reader wants to know specific information about a specific flower, such as the biome(s) it generates in. We should keep this page as a general overview of all flowers, including the huge table, as well as describing common attributes (composting, bees etc) in the separated pages. Pink petals should not be included here imho, too different from regular flowers (can't be potted, can't be used for suspicious stew - even keeping tall flowers is a stretch in my opinion).--Capopanzo (talk) 10:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Support There are some issues I have with moving just one flower to a different article (I mentioned this in a separate question) but if we are talking about moving every flower to its own page, I would be on board with that. If a user is just looking for info on one flower, it will probably take YEARS for them to find it. ThatOneWolf (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, with the support for splitting being overwhelming, let’s decide on how exactly should we split the article. Given that tall flowers don’t differ between themselves as much compared to flowers in general, should they have a single article covering all of them? Definitely we’re not going to split all the tulip variants from each other. Then we also have things like Oxeye Daisy and Azure Bluet which are identical in all but name and appearance. — BabylonAS 05:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Forgot about different sus stew effects for Oxeye Daisy and Azure Bluet... — BabylonAS 05:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

We should split up everything. All the small flowers generate naturally or are produced with bone meal in different biomes, all the small flowers give different suspicious stew effects, dandelions are used to breed rabbits, poppies are given by iron golems, daisies are used to craft banner patterns. Splitting off some and keeping others merged would be inconsistent, even tulips or the regular tall flowers have small differences between themselves after all (they produce different dyes).--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 16:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

And how exactly would we benefit from this “consistency” by not having all tulip variants be on the same article? — BabylonAS 07:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with keeping tulips together, I would just find it odd to have most small flowers split into separate pages and tulips still in a single page, but that's just me. Tall flowers should be split: sunflowers generate in a different biome and can be used for navigation, keeping the other 3 unrelated tall flowers in a single page would be (IMHO again) odd - how would you even name the page? "Tall Flower" (even though two of them have separate pages)? "Rose Bush" (trying to pass peony and lilac as colored variants)?--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 14:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

All tall flowers should be one article. All tulips should be one article. The rest I do not have a perference for which. The regular flower article should just list all flower-like plants that have general properties or comparsion, like the Ores page. Delvin4519 (talk) 19:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with having all tulips and tall flowers on the same page. Some flowers being merged and some being separated just feels strange and I’d rather do this all or nothing. - Harristic | Talk 👁 DungeonsEntitySprite penguin-onesie.png: Sprite image for penguin-onesie in Minecraft
07:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

That’s a subjective opinion. It might not necessarily “feel strange” to others — one could instead wonder why White Tulip and Red Tulip were made separate if their only difference is color. Limiting ourselves to all-or-nothing is not a flexible way of thinking, sometimes an intermediate solution works better, and this is what I’m calling for. At the very least, I think we should have tulips grouped together. As for tall flowers, pitcher plants could be kept separate from other tall flowers due to their completely different method of obtaining and inability to be cloned with bone meal. — BabylonAS 08:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I feel like a sensible split would be splitting everything but keeping tulips together. Additionally have a overview article "Tall Flower", as well as another overview article "Flower". | violine1101 ^(talk) 22:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I would support combining Tulips into their own article but giving each Tall Flower its own article. All tulips have basically the same properties and would also be a very intuitive combination, unlike "Tall Flower" which I'm honestly not sure I've heard anyone use as a term before. --Madminecrafter12 (talk) 03:02, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Just got an early draft of the tulip article. Feedback is welcome. — BabylonAS 07:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Looks great! I see you merged all the bee-related sections into a short sentence, while they were kept separate in the wither rose page, not sure which is better.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 14:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

This is great, I am excited for the final product you make! ThatOneWolf (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

We’re flowers added on Minecraft Education 1.0? 2001:4456:C20:9D00:2556:50FB:EF49:C934 03:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I've just come across this page and thought it might make sense to transpose the flower biome table. here's an example of what that would look like for Java Edition:

Biome	👁 Image Dandelion	👁 Image Poppy	👁 Image Blue Orchid	👁 Image Allium	👁 Image Azure Bluet	👁 Image Tulips	👁 Image Oxeye Daisy	👁 Image Cornflower	👁 Image Lily of the Valley
👁 Image Plains 👁 Image Sunflower Plains 👁 Image Dripstone Caves[note 1] 👁 Image Deep Dark[note 1]	Yes	Yes	No	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	No
👁 Image Forest 👁 Image Birch Forest 👁 Image Old Growth Birch Forest 👁 Image Dark Forest	Yes	Yes	No	No	No	No	No	No	Natural generation only
👁 Image Flower Forest	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes[note 2]
👁 Image Meadow	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	Yes	No
👁 Image Swamp	No	No	Yes	No	No	No	No	No	No
👁 Image Badlands 👁 Image Eroded Badlands 👁 Image Wooded Badlands 👁 Image Mushroom Fields 👁 Image Mangrove Swamp 👁 Image Cherry Grove 👁 Image Lush Caves 👁 Image Grove 👁 Image Snowy Slopes 👁 Image Stony Peaks 👁 Image Jagged Peaks 👁 Image Frozen Peaks 👁 Image The Nether 👁 Image The End 👁 Image The Void	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No	No
Any other[note 3]	Yes	Yes	No	No	No	No	No	No	No

Is this better than the current setup? I feel like the column descriptions right now are not very good. Any further suggestions for improvement? | violine1101 ^(talk) 16:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, you're proposing a table with 10 columns versus the current 9, and if the list of flowers expands, then this transposed table would expand horizontally, not vertically. That isn't good. I'd leave the tables as they are.

One thing that might help with column width is removal of the sprite icons on the biome names, just have plain links. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

My main aim was not to reduce the width of the table, but rather reduce the top row's height and empty space in it. The current version has the header be almost the same size as the table itself. That also IMO poses a readability issue. We have 27 biomes to fit in currently while it's only 9 flowers, so splitting the biomes across rows made sense to me. But I'm not exactly sure my version is better though, especially since the penultimate row is just massive. | violine1101 ^(talk) 21:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

That big row could be shortened. The Badlands biomes could be condensed into "All Badlands". Same for "All Groves" and "All Peaks". And also "Nether, End, Void" could be one. That would shrink it by seven.

My concern (could be wrong) is that Mojang is likely to add more flowers than more biomes, and the table shouldn't grow horizontally. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hmm yeah. I've tried to consolidate the biomes in that table now that way, and I agree it does look a lot better. | violine1101 ^(talk) 11:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes it does. Moving all the variations into notes made it look better. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Im wondering if the Pale garden would be add to forest biome or another option Muddyphoenix (talk) 19:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Probably forest biome, because it's really just a forest, and no other obvious option exists to my knowledge. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  23:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

If flower generation is completely different from the other biomes (and it seems to be the case), it should have its own column.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 23:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok Muddyphoenix (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

There are separate pages for each of the flowers, this is for an overview, like stairs. That would be too many tabs. 👁 Image
NmF (talk) 02:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

This appears to have been fixed :) 👁 Image
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Golden Dandelion is missing ~2026-DragonPumpkinFish2098 (talk) 14:40, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I know this page was already divided into individual pages for each one, but I think it makes sense to include intermediate pages. Mainly because when we want to mention flowers in any context, it falls here, which could be good in many cases to only mention small flowers or something similar in the text, and not mangrove propagule.

Primarily considering that the properties are quite different from each group, yet very similar within each group.

Flower bed is pink petals and wildflowers, term present in Java code. Aloi4 (talk) 05:01, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

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 No. Literally no one uses those terms and this isn't a technical page at all. An "overview page" splitting into multiple overview pages, with duplicated and spreaded information and messy navigation? Ridiculous.
A flower is a flower and there's nothing wrong with this page. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk) (contribs) 👁 Image
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Except for flower beds, these terms are on the page itself and used a few times given that these flowers have different properties.

Look at the page carefully; almost everything refers to small flowers. The properties are quite different; I think there are more differences than similarities between these blocks.

Many other places on the wiki refer to small flower too

I never said this was a science page, I only said where I got one term from (the other two I got from the page itself). But ironically, the way to define "flower" on this page was indeed technical. Being in the tag. Especially since almost no one casually says mangrove propagule is a flower. Aloi4 (talk) 05:34, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

Similar to the other tables on this wiki page, I believe it would be helpful to include a table describing each flower and the blocks they are able to be placed on. Just a suggestion thanks! ActivateWindows (talk) 17:35, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

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